Camaro Reliability

[yojcbeast]

and why the hell are you comparing camaro owners and people with mullets who care about 1/4 mile times. For someone blessed as part of the "cognitive elite" you sure are discriminate. Perhaps u should take a sociology class Mr. Top of the Gene Pool...

and you can't add up your parents IQs to get yours. sorry

[yojcbeast]

and when comparing 3.2L to 5.7L, the reason american engineers stick with the v8s (other than HUGE amounts of moddability). But they sound better. When a shitcan pulls up next to me, spouting off its high pitched crap, I tend to

[-cy-]

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
the NSX sucks.. here's more evidence to support that conclusion.. in the JGTC gt500 series.. the NSX has repeatedly dominated the viper and .. the poor design and drivability of the NSX is the reason why it won over all Calloway Corvette entries in Le Mans in 1995... it's crappy engine is why even though not nearly reaching its full potential...but rather.. limits imposed by the Jap Gentlemen's Agreement, the Type R and Type S zero NSX come with 7/10ths of a second of the quarter mile posted by the 8.0 liter viper.. and are almost on par with the z06 bests of low 12's despite the fact the 3.2 is half the size.. yes.. you are totally correct that the NSX is crap I applaud your profound and brilliant insight.. typical of a mustang driver..

Never said it was poor design or had poor driveability...you are putting words in my mouth to support an arguement...stop it.

Oh ya, all those Le Mans cars are stock off the showroom floor, ya know how that goes.

Oh, so the NSX costs more and goes slower than a viper still, eh? Wait, how much are the Type R and Type S RSX's compared to the viper?

Anyways...woman just called...this isn't important enough to pass up on poon, i'll be back later to show how your arguements are weak.

Later.

[skyliner34GT500]

yes 12.7 is slow and even though it is the most reliable car according to JD powers. and american company for the record... even though many of the most respected automotive enthusiasts/aficionados have lauded it for its balance even at the limit.. it's for connoisseurs of the fine arts.. definitely not for mustang or camaro lovers... definitely not.. and yes.. you are paying 90 k for the quality, respect, international recognition, performance, and world class engineering reflected by Honda's 6 consecutive championship seasons in F1(the most extreme racing organization in the history of motor sports) an accomplishment not even contemplated by an american auto maker.. despite the fact they have more money.. .. i wouldn't expect a camaro or mustang driver to be able to appreciate that.. of course I'm sure the NSX driver is gonna be lamenting the fact his 90 k car attracts more attractive women in one weekend than your camaro or mustang will pick up in a lifetime

[skyliner34GT500]

my arguements are weak because a firebird owner said so

[yojcbeast]

haha... so you need a 75,000 dollar car to attract women? That's the best you can come up with? Laaammmmeeee

[skyliner34GT500]

the viper.. no ABS.. no traction control.. crappy build quality a JDpowers rating of crappy.... sure a low tech neanderthalmobile is leagues ahead of the NSX poised position of excellence and refinement.. the NSX is a daily driver... yep dodge the pinnacle of class and refinement..

NHTSA Recalls for the impeccably well built dodge viper

1996-00: If used in extensive track type testing or aggressive driving, steering rack mounting brackets can crack. 1996-99: If used in extensive track type testing or aggressive driving, differential mounting brackets could fail. 1997: Inadvertent airbag deployment could occur upon vehicle ignition shut-down. 2000-01: Some of the owner's manuals for these vehicles are missing instructions for properly attaching a child restraint system's tether strap to the tether anchorage

Dates of Manufacture: June 1995 - March 1999

Defect: Certain passenger vehicles used extensively in track types of racing events and subjected to aggressive driving conditions could experience cracks at the welds of the rear differential mounting bracket. The cracks could eventually lead to metal fatigue and dislodging of the differential mounting bracket from the frame of the vehicle. Separation of the differential mounting bracket could result in loss of vehicle control.


dodge.. that's what i call quality.. but i'm sure it's just a fluke.. i mean american cars are known for their build quality..

you get what you pay for ..with the NSX you get JD powers most reliable car period.. end of story.. oh and you also get a car that can be driven daily without serious brain damage from all the chasis vibrations

here's some nice anecdotal evidence.. a review of the indomintable dodge viper..

Head gaskets on the motor went.

Leather interior started to pull apart.

Exhaust system needed replacing.

Transmission went due to a blown seal.

Ball joints got very loose.

After engine was fixed there was consistent over heating problems.

Engine knocked real bad, Dodge refused to do anything about it.

The power window on the driver's side went.

Fuel injectors had problems soon after the head gaskets were fixed.

Alternator got really weak and needed rebuilding.

Chrome on the mag wheels started to peel.

The ride was extremely uncomfortable.
General comments?
This car would of been a super car if the dealer would have just fixed things right and not been so up tight. I'm sure lots of cars have there problems, but they should not have this many at under 10,000 km.

This car had never been abused, it was just a lemon from the start. The 450hp sounds nice, but when you are only getting 10m/gallon you might think of buying a Corvette. I now own a 2001 Corvette Z06 and a 2000 Hummer. I think that the Corvette may not be as fast, but it sure hasn't sat in the shop for more than half of the time I have owned it like the Viper.


NOW THAT's what i call DETROIT IRON qualeetay

[skyliner34GT500]

that's all the nights entertainment(i like to think of it as enlightenment) that i will provide tonight.. let me leave you rhodes scholars with this something.. someone with a brain bigger than most of your's expressed quite eloquently;

Most big companies have engineers, to be sure, but that doesn't mean they are valued. Think about it: if a big company is losing money, the president will never say "I wish we had engineers like those guys at Toyota who figured out how to make cars that don't break." No, it is always "we need better advertising, better marketing, fancier financing, higher salaries for executives", i.e., "we need more MBAs just like me."

Honda simply has better engineers than most other car companies, which is how they went from zero to moderately huge in just two decades. The Accord and Civic are the benchmarks in their respective categories. A few years after they entered Formula One racing, Honda dominated the sport. The NSX is basically the street car built by the Formula One folks.

The first thing you notice when you get into the NSX is the comfort. This is not a Porsche or a Ferrari. Nothing is weird, there is no penalty for all the extra capability. After ten minutes, the controls feel as natural as on a car you drive every day. Visibility is superb in all directions and the low cowl prevents claustrophobia. Considering that the engine is about a foot from your ear, the car is reasonably quiet; wind noise is unobtrusive (at least up to 100 mph). Set the temperature you'd like and the automatic climate control system delivers it (I've always hated these systems, but the NSX's works).

The second thing you notice is the balance. If you haven't driven a mid-engined car, then you owe it to yourself. Whether it is an old Lotus Europa, a Toyota MR2, or the NSX, they all share a delightfully neutral feel. A big part of it is the low polar moment of inertia. Porsches and Corvettes manage to achieve a balanced weight, more or less, by putting heavy stuff on both ends of the car. However, with all that weight so far from the center of mass, the car ends up with a high polar moment of inertia and will resist twisting. Mid-engined cars keep the weight in the middle and are much easier to guide through twisty sections of road.


to conclude.. the NSX is a drivers car.. with utterly predictable handling, superbly refined build quality, that can be driven comfortably all day long, and of Formula 1 heritage celebrating Honda's 6 straight championship seasons.... the viper on the other hand is crude.. rude, and well... of American standards build quality that says enough

[skyliner34GT500]

i'm sure american engineers select v8's for their cars, not because they don't have the engineering expertise to make high specific output engines....but because they like the sound.. yep.. race cars are all about sound.. teams tune for sound.. not for power.. once again you enlighten the world with your profound intellectual revelations...everybody knows that engine sound is the most important consideration of top F1 teams

[DkShadow]

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500

Great that you love a damn $80k that could get its ass handed to by a car thats in the $25-$35k range... Remember where youre at... Here in AMERICA we care about more performance for its dollar... 1/4mi and just flat out balls... You know? The feeling of 300+hp matched to 350ft/tq? Not everyone has $80k+ to spend for a goddamn car.... So yes we will still keep driving our Mustangs and Camaros.... Even the Z06 vette which would WALK all over the NSX... Since youre into the Magazine Racing and JDPower crap which is all ... Wasnt it tested that the Z06 handed both the Porsche and the NSX its ass?

So heres a last pic for you...

[-The Stig-]

Oh yes... NSX...

[-The Stig-]

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
a civic si to your truck engine mobile... yes.. the civic si is an exemplary specimen of engineering excellence.. that's why i always mention the civic si 1.6 beast when i make comparisons.. sheer genius

Yeah, but you do realise my point travels along the same lines as the '02 Acura RSX Type-S 2 liter motor making 200hp. still only 100hp per liter.

The '01 Acura Integra GSR 1.8 liter making 170hp. Uh oh... 94hp per liter.

The '98 Supra Turbo 3 liter making 320hp. 106hp per liter. A very stout motor if I may say so. But take away the turbo and its only 75 hp per liter.

Best for last...

Your prized '02 NSX with a 3.2 Liter V6 making 290hp. 90hp per liter. Do I have to mention it weighs in at 3153lbs? Gets Ok gas milege too, 17/24 mpg. My beloved Z06 gets 19/28 mpg and weighs 3116lbs. Oh lets not forget the Z06's perfect 50/50 weight distribution.

Z06 - A marvel of American lazyness.

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
sorry i graduated college with a 3.8 GPA and have a demonstrated IQ of 140 placing me in the top 1% of intellect pool.. i hardly think a redneck rustang driving, camaro loving, soppy idiots are gonna "own" me.. although I'm sure IQ means round your parts.. i'd probably do better with a 3.84 rear and mullet to match

I've got a demonstrated of 127... which puts me into that same top 1%...

Trust me, You're not so elite. Either come on out of your magazine racing world, and realise that people buy cars on personal preferance rather than what some article says in a overrated magazine and leave us alone to our 'narrow' minds. Or leave the forum.

Simple as that. We welcome somebody who has a fresh opinion on a subject. But Opinions are like assholes... everybody has one.

[DeViL]

Vipers have ABS btw. They started including it in either 00 or 01. Uncomfortable, hot, forces you to pay attention to the road or you'll regret it, no traction control, damn right no stupid traction control, the car isn't for pussies.

How the hell can an NSX do a 12.7 when Camaros and Firebirds beat them stock? Is that time out of the new NSX with the fixed headlights? Has it actually broken 300 hp now?

Honda also got so popular because of the 70's and 80's where American cars were garbage. If the smog laws never happened, Honda would barely have a market in America for automobiles. Most Americans would still be in the mindset that our cars are better. Whether they are or not is irrelevant please don't bring up that point.

[skyliner34GT500]

educating the ignorant is hard.. what can i say.. the NSX type S zero weighs in at around 2800 lbs runs the quarter in 12.7 and has similar performance to the NSX Type R, of course for some neanderthals that never leave their very limited habitat.. wouldn't realize that even a type S zero or R variation of the NSX exist... so you continue to wallow in your artificially constructed locus of distorted reality believing that all NSX's are 3100 lb behemoths with a 250 hp engine running the quarter in around 14 seconds.... of course i could mention that the supra was engineered to make 500 hp from the factory with minimal mods.. meaning boost control and bigger exhaust.. or i could tell you about the 500 hp NISMO 400 R from the mid nineties.. or the subaru 22b or silvia... but none of these things would make a darned bit of difference to those that relegate themselves as inhabitants of a dark misinformed opinionated yet unsubstantiated ignorant existence.. ..can't change the world.. all i can do is say what i believe and back it up with facts.. and.. 127 is not in the top 1% of the IQ bell curve more like the top 3-4 percent.. anyway.. if you are as smart as you say you are..then some of my comments will hopefully open your eyes.. if not.. well then.. some people will never learn

[DkShadow]

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
Im a dumbass and suck Honda/Nissans Dick!!!

Whats that you say?

Listen... For the last time... NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!! You can bring up fucking cars we will never see here, let alone can afford, want to buy, would want, pay insurance for, want to see parked in our driveway, sit our asses in one, take a piss and shit on one... wait... maybe that one.
Youre comparing apples and oranges my dumbass naive troll... You compare cars that are $20k+, hell even 3x over what we pay for our car... Very brilliant for a guy that supposedly is 1% above his class pool.
If Car A runs 12.9-13.2 for $24k and Car B runs 12.7 for $70k+... Which do you think one would pick? But oh no... the interior is shitty... ahhh and its made by an american auto-company... so it must suck fat dick!! And also... you say Mustangs and F-bodies suck at the track... hmm... have you ever been to auto-x? I see plenty of them beating up on the ricers. But it will never come from the Land of the Rising Sun... so its a piece of shit... Life must be great when youre shifting through gears while eating sushi/rice and jacking off to hentai, isnt it?
Ill leave you with that... my mullets starting to look messed up... fucktard.