You can get it at invoice!

[NissanGuy76]

GB Phoenix77,

Well spoken, and not far from the truth.
The fact is I had some people come in the other day and everything was great with what seemed to be much mutual respect.
I came back with the deal sheet and the guy Popped off and grabbed my pen and said something about I have 60 seconds to get to my manager and stat from there.
Funny thing is, even though I knew he was in an uncomfortable situation, I didnt appreciate being treated like that.
I came back with exactly what he asked for, and then he throws a trade in on me wich he didnt have before.
Ok, so at this point its no problem but since my company is a full discloser dealership i have to get a sellers disclosure form for him to fill out so that he may tell me if it has been wrecked or not.
Would you believe that this guy who actually lives in my subdivision skims over the paperwork and starts throwing a fit about how he wont sign the disclosure til he knows what his car is worth?
He actually went from jekyl to hyde in just a few moments.
I wnt back to my manager and told him I wasnt going to do business with someone who treated me that way and he needed to turn it to another salesman.
He told me to just explain to the guy that the appraisal on his car had everything to do with if it had been wrecked or had a reconditioned title.
The guy asked for his keys and left.

Moral of story: I value my time and myself enough that I do not have to do business with people like this.
2. I nor my dealership has no responsibilty to sell a car at invoice at any given time to anyone.

P.S. If i have enjoyable customers who dont waist my time and are equally curtious to me, I have no problem trying to get them a discount.


P.S.S. I only read my email once a day or every 2 days but I will try and get on it.
hacve you used the Locator on the Nissan website?

[tcn]

What state do you live in and what model is it?

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Nissanguy76 - i'm in dallas, Tx - model : Enthusiast - manual - 6 speed

[GTR...GTR...GTR]

Ya know what pisses me off?

When jackass car dealerships are selling cars at 5-10-15 thousand over MSRP! i.e. the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 8 and the Subaru WRX STi I've gone to almost every dealership with 75 miles of my house and gotten the same response, "Price is NOT negotible"(sp?) Or a friggen wait list with a non refundable deposit. At one dealer the wait on an STi was 2 years. There was a guy I heard about on evolutionm.net that paid 50K for a 28K EVO 8!

I understand that salesmen need to get paid. It's not like it's a public service to sell us cars. But jumpin' jesus 5-15 grand over MSRP for a 28K car?!

I'm happy with paying MSRP. That's fine. But don't try to rape me and every one else with "Adjusted Market Value"

NissanGuy76 where is your dealership? I'd buy from you. Just one suggestion. Anger management classes. No one here knows or even cares who you are and there is no need to prove anything to flamers. Just remember "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS" Every board has them, just ignore their childish comments.

Later,

Jb

[gregit]

Track edition with Nav, leather seats, mats, side airbags and 6changer CD
$37K incl. TT&L

[decegainer]

dentists, if you truly think that a salesman makes 2 grand on a 2 thousand dollar gross; than you are a moron. they only see about a quarter of that.
if $20 an hour is enough for you, great. But if your selling cars for invoice you wont even be making less than that, you'll be out of the job.

Look at it from a salesman's point of view: You are on the line from 9am to 9pm and have to deal with a lot of ups throughout the day. A good amount of customers treat you like a total scum bag, and act like they are at war with you in an attempt to win invoice.

You should be happy with a FAIR deal, your probably a payment buyer, so it's no sweat off your back to let the salesman have a few hundred for comission.

I've been in the buisness long enough to go into a dealership and buy a car at invoice; however I would never do so.

I just bought a new z and instead of going through fleet or grinding it out with the desk, I went in their and bought it from a salesman. I got a fair deal and everyone was happy.

When you go into a dealership looking for invoice it would be the same as going into a restuarant, treating the waiter like shit, taking up more of his time than anyone else and than not leaving a tip.

kick back, enjoy your z, and quit being such an arogant, ignorant, asshole.

[dentistnotreally]

decegainer,
do we need another salesman trying to prove he is decent ? NO!
you people really are bottom feeders.
people treat you like scum bags cus you really are so get it through your scull.
you're the type of person who keeps comming on when customers try to tell you politely that they want to be left alone. get lost!! and get it the first time before I call you stupid.
I will not give you sympathy because you work from 9 to 9. that is the competition your dealer created for you so if you want sympathy ask your wife.
if 20.00 an hour is not enough for you you muct have like 5 kids,
it sounds like your spending too much on your car.
people haggle and haggle cus they don't really know the true invoice for a particular car that they are buying so why don't YOU try to have a buyers point of view and stop being selfish.

[fbodgirl]

I feel sorry for the less car educated such as newzandlovinit. Cries like a little b. Have you wrecked it or blown it up yet? What do you do to make yourself believe that your so much better than everyone else? Do the world a favor (a couple actually), stay away from all of the hardworking sales representatives in the world, then go drive your Z off a cliff. And dentistnotreally-whatever the hell that means can join his lover in the Z.

Thank you.

[fbodgirl]

Originally Posted by dentistnotreally

decegainer,
do we need another salesman trying to prove he is decent ? NO!
you people really are bottom feeders.
people treat you like scum bags cus you really are so get it through your scull.
you're the type of person who keeps comming on when customers try to tell you politely that they want to be left alone. get lost!! and get it the first time before I call you stupid.
I will not give you sympathy because you work from 9 to 9. that is the competition your dealer created for you so if you want sympathy ask your wife.
if 20.00 an hour is not enough for you you muct have like 5 kids,
it sounds like your spending too much on your car.
people haggle and haggle cus they don't really know the true invoice for a particular car that they are buying so why don't YOU try to have a buyers point of view and stop being selfish.

How old are u? You sound really inexperienced and gay.

[rizzspeed]

where to start in a thread of this nature?

I used to work for a dealership a few years ago. A couple different dealerships actually. Not too much difference between them. I used to check in all new vehicles and had access to invoices. Invoices and sticker prices varied from vehicle model to model. Some differences were as little as 1K to as much as 4k. Suv, trucks being more. I saw the dealership make money off of extras than the actual car sale. Of course if the customer isn't interested in dealer options, there's other ways to squeeze money outta them. I've seen salesmen/financers/managers play with the numbers so to speak. If the customer won't budge on the price, the interest rate can be "adjusted" or the trade in value is lowered. The dealership/salesmen will make money somewhere. If it's not in the initial price, they'll make up for it somewhere, packages and options even moreso. "Anything to make a deal." I've been witness to salesmen ripping off other employees. I've been asked on several occasions not to disclose pricing to fellow employees. Not just on vehicle pricing but on service contracts, "special" options and packages. If there's a will, there's a way is the old saying. Like Metallica says Sad but true.

[Cooper04]

The reason rich people are able to afford 350Z are because they do not give money away. Nissanguy76 I serious doubt that you would go to another competing dealership and buy a 350Z at sticker. Your giving money away. Even selling the 350Z at invoice will allow your dealership to make at least 500 dollars from the factory and your base pay per hour for doing your job. Money is hard to come by. Why should you give away good money if you don't have to. I have only bought one car, but I respect my mother greatly. She has bought a lot of vehicles including a 2004 350Z Touring edition for around $27,000 without a trade-in. It is your own fault if you don't negotiate the price on anything whether it be a car or just certain goods. People from all culutres naturally negotiate. It is only Americans that traditionally give their money away. Negotiation doesn't always have to be bad. Just set up a win-win deal. Their is no problem with a salesman making 100 dollars on a deal the dealership making 400 and the buyer getting the car at a discounted price. Because the dealership has so many othe rrevenue producing avenues that car sales only account for about a 40% profit margin for dealerships. Don't give me any bullshit on that figure becuase I did a case study on 30 area dealerships. So stop your ranting you are simply bullshitting people on this forum with trying to gain sympathy from them. Oh and by the way dealerships have a hard time turning down actual cash money or certified checks . No matter if the car is going for invoice or not becuase their is no telling how long that car has been sitting there. NissanGuy76 thanks for showing everybody what salesman do for a living, but your game is just a marketing technique and it is acutually working good with some people on this forum, but I play the same game so for the sake of these people come straight and tell the truth.

[<SSR>David]

dentistnotreally, your really messed up. Salespeople are human. Just because you got ripped off by a bad salesperson doesn’t mean that everyone is bad. O and its good that the other guy got a good deal on his car, but don’t bad mouth other people just because you have something against them. I know a lot of very nice and hard working salespeople in the dealership that I got to which is in Cerritos. (Southern California) And Nissanguy76 just ignore people who likes to start crap, and don’t start any too. Arguing in a forum is so childish. I understand why some people would have a bad feeling towards people that sale cars, but that doesn’t mean that every sales person is trying to rip people off. Until you guys had some kind of dealings with that certain person don’t make any judgments. I don’t know jack about selling cars or anything of that sort, but reading this shi* is pissing me off. Grown people arguing over some stupid crap like this is just annoying…if you guys want to argue about this go to some other forum please, because I enjoy reading good posts and learning more about my hobbies in this forum. I hope some of you guys could understand where I am coming from.