david-b's 95 Eagle Talon ESi-T Motor Build

[david-b]

Already tried that. Fail.

So got some bad news. We were talking about teh GA running and shit, and well, now it doesn't. Thing won't turn over now. Cranks all day, but not kicking on. Had to push it home about 3/4 mile last night in the dark. So I'm ready to sell it and trash it.

Talon is being tuned all weekend

[ned032002]

We jynxed that thing.

[david-b]

You did. I went last night to where this girl works and we were talking about good of shape the car was in and how good it ran. Literally left her place, went across the street for some food, and was dead there 2 minutes after parking.

[vanilla gorilla]

Get that S running and sell it. Buy a honda/toyota/nissan. Reliability is whats up.

[SilvrEclipse]

Yea it might be time to sell that thing unless its something really simple

[vanilla gorilla]

+1. You already have a hotrod that is going to give you as many headaches as problems as you can ever want....your other car (daily) needs to be something you can hop in, hit the key, and ride out with no worries. Got a 95 civic you'll look good in

[david-b]

Talon has been running pretty good this weekend. Since the GA crapped out had no choice but to get the Talon running. Tuning has been kind of hard, been super rich... actually so rich it's bogged a couple times. Been working on the fuel map but think I have to turn down the calculated fuel setting.

But other than running rich, it's pretty good. I think I have an exhaust leak somewhere (can smell it) but no big. Been giving the car a little bit of boost, but only a pound or so since it gets stupid rich and studders. Lastly, been doing some detaling in the engine bay. Waxed and polished some parts, and then been degressing all the couplers and everything. Even been doing some small touchups in the bay with black paint.

[ned032002]

The car keeps looking sexy!!

Is the global or deadtime off on your injectors? That'll cause the obnoxious richness

[david-b]

Thanks. I want to get some shots this weekend of the whole thing, and of course edit to mask the crappy paint lol

Not sure with your "DSMLink mumbo-jumbo" what you're talking about But I'm going to assume something has to do with the initial amount of fuel the maps are based off of? If so, then yes. Going to turn down .1 and see what happens. I believe the last setup was using it (4.5 compared to 4.6). These injectors are huge so hard to dial in right.

Going to be taking the car some distance this weekend outside of the neighborhood, so need to tune it decently and get her not drinking as much as she is. Oil and coolant are holding good though, haven't seen any leaks yet

[ned032002]

These will help explain the 2 (global and deadtime). I dont know how MS works but I'm sure this will be helpful.
http://www.ecmtuning.com/wiki/fuelse...dtime%20global
http://www.ecmtuning.com/wiki/basein...ata?s=deadtime

[david-b]

Seems pretty similar, but yet still very different.

According to MS manual

Originally Posted by MS Manual

REQ_FUEL

REQ_FUEL (short for "required fuel") is the part of the computation that tells MegaSquirt® how big your injectors are, and what your cylinder displacement (CYL_DISP) is. It is the length of time in milliseconds [ms] that MegaSquirt® should “squirt” to give the stoichiometric amount of fuel (14.7 Air/Fuel Ratio for gasoline) at 100% VE, a manifold absolute pressure (MAP) of 100kPa, and an air temperature of 70 degrees Fahrenheit for a complete stroke cycle.
The air/fuel ratio (AFR) is the mass of air compared to the mass of fuel entering the engine, so for a 14.7:1 AFR we have 14.7 times as much air (by weight) as fuel. The volume ratio is much more extreme, about 9000:1, and varies considerably with temperature, so AFR is always specified by mass. A stoichiometric mixture is chemically correct for complete burning with no extra fuel OR air left over. For gasoline, a 14.7:1 AFR is considered the correct amount for burning with no leftover air or fuel. Note that it is not necessarily the ratio for most power or efficiency.

Req_Fuel is calculated from the equation:
REQ_FUEL*10 = 36,000,000 * CID * AIRDEN(100kPA, 70ºF)/(NCYL*AFR*INJFLOW ) * 1/DIVIDE_PULSE
Where:

36,000,000 is the number of tenths of a millisecond in an hour, used to get the pounds per 1/10 milllisecond from the pounds/hours rating of the injectors.
REQ_FUEL = Computed injector open time in tenths of millisecond.
CID = Cubic Inch Displacement.
AIRDEN = Air density (pounds per cubic inch) at MAP pressure of 100 Kpa, Air Temperature of 70
Degrees F, and Barometric Pressure of 30.00 In HG
NCYL = Number of Cylinders
INJFLOW = Injector Flow Rate in pounds per hour.
DIVIDE_PULSE = injection divide number for number of injections per engine cycle.

This is just a basic number which you put in the size of injectors, target idle afr, engine size, and it figures it out. However, the number it's given me (4.6) is just not working. I believe its a smaller number for less fuel, and that changes the entire map since the ve table is then using the different number to calculate fuel. Long story short, a change in 0.# should help.

[ned032002]

Wow, I guess they're very different.

[david-b]

Got some new toys yesterday


Installed the new gauages. Hated the way the white ones looked. And then they were blue at night Looked very Ricer, but at the time, that was all that was available. They also didnt work half the time, so was hard driving at night. So found these that look stock, but bright as hell with adjustable dimmer and on/off switch. Haven't seen them at night yet, but will be nice.



Meanwhile the cluster was out, I pulled out the CEL since it's always on due to MSnS. And also pulled the security light and a couple others (that I don't have) and put them in spots were bulbs were missing. Hopefully if I did it right, all the needles should light up and be able to see everything clearly now.


I'm keeping the silver bezel, just looks dead hot.


And then the tinting of the lights. They're drying right now in the sun. Can not wait to see what they look like on the car. Headed out to clean up the dirt behind them on the car right now. More pics later.

[david-b]

They turned out great. Center section top is a little darker than the rest, but that's ok. Didn't like the yellow there anyways. All installed an on. I hope they're not too dark at night. It's to bright right now to test, but they look hot so far. Also looks darker in person than on camera. I wish the paint of the car was in better shape. And it's a little dirty, so don't hate.

[ned032002]

If the boner police are here, I demand a lawyer!

Lookin sexy dude! I'm a huge fan of smoke'd tails so +100 for that!