Spe-V vs WRX

[nismo_pilot]

and need for speed underground 2 has a spec v in it, they all are the same speed though, a focus can beat a 350z in that game, so i dont know about accurate

[daveshapellSVT]

a wrx is way faster then a spec v stock for stock. even a moded specv will have a hard time keeping up. thats just the way it is. i owned a 04 spec v with brembo's. i had, intake,cams,pulley,header,balance shaft removal and a couple other things and my best time was a 14.5. thats not even what a stock wrx runs. stock wrx are at least good for 14.2.

[Chiquae07]

i was talkin about like somewhat physics based game. i dont think forza has an update or gt4 would help

[nismo_pilot]

were talking from a roll dave.....4wd kinda makes it hard to win in a drag, although it has been done

[daveshapellSVT]

i think if anything awd would kil a front wheel drive car. they have twice as much traction. i mean even from a roll the wrx is still faster in every way.

[nismo_pilot]

how so it makes as much power as an rsx type s but it loses a shitload more of it due to the drivetrain loss, and type s' barely pull us anyways, add a lot more weight and a lot more drivetrain loss and youve got yourself a wrx kill from a roll, it would stand a better chance at a drag where its 4wd would benefit it, not hurt it

[Chiquae07]

the loss is in the DRIVETRAIN. we aren't talking right from the engine horsepower or from a launch. this is a roll were the real car's power shows, not your slicks you just got can help you here.

[slideways...]

its more about the driver than anything but the wrx is one of the easiest cars to tune that exists right now. my buddies 02 wrx with cai and cat back beat an evo with cai, uppipe, downpipe, catback. the evo shifted decent too and didnt miss anything. didnt bog too bad either but not sure about how a evos supposed to run tho. his wrx beat tuned rx7s, s2000s also, but ironicalloy, his only loss was to a crx. ahah

[daveshapellSVT]

well heres the thing, a wrx puts down way more at the wheels then a stock or even fully moded spec v. yes it ways more but it also has way more power at the wheels. last time i checked a wrx has 227 at the crank. a spec v only has 175 and about 140-145 stock at the wheels. i used to be big into spec v's and i know that a fully bolted spec v will make around 175whp. my fully bolted spec v ran 14.5 which was very good when most other are running high 14's. a stock wrx at least puts down 180-190 whp. that more then makes up for the weight. i stick by my opinion that a wrx will kill a stock spec v from any point, and a wrx will morethan likley still beat a moded spec v. perhaps not by much but it will. and thats if you have two robots driving the cars without error. a stock wrx runs 14.2 a stock spec v runs 15.2 thats a second difference.

[nismo_pilot]

front wheel drive cars lose the least amount of power in the drivetrain, four wheel drive cars lose the most, you dont think the difference in percentage of drivetrain loss is big enough to negate a 20whp difference? say we lose 15% and they lose 30% we end up losing about 20hp or so, but they would lose about 70.....that puts us about even as far as wheel horsepower, then add in the extra weight of the drivetrain on the wrx and youve got an inferior power to weight ratio, yeah it runs faster in the quarter because of 4wd, but it WILL get burned from a roll, too much loss and too much weight, yes it runs faster in the quarter, but thats not the issue here, i have personally beaten one from a roll when i was stock, lets focus on one kind of race for now, 4wd makes drag races unfair anyways.....

[nismo_pilot]

Originally Posted by daveshapellSVT

the wrx is only quicker because of the better 60ft times due to the awd launches. on the highway i think my spec v could give a stock wrx a run for the money. a wagon will get beat.

and you agreed earlier about the highway run, so why are we arguing?

[SR20B12]

sentra spec V:
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM

STI:
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM

"From a roll, especially at near highway speeds (40-60+) the spec v will kill the wrx."

think about this..
Time and tima again if your at a roll or a stop the AWD will win in this case. due to the fact of the STI has 52 more HP and 37 more lbs of TQ. if you do the math...more traction and accel. It will still be the same principle even at speed. traction will overcome and HP will gain the win.

[nismowu]

Originally Posted by SR20B12

sentra spec V:
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM

STI:
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM

think about this..
Time and tima again if your at a roll or a stop the AWD will win in this case. due to the fact of the STI has 52 more HP and 37 more lbs of TQ. if you do the math...more traction and accel. It will still be the same principle even at speed. traction will overcome and HP will gain the win.

it's wrx not sti....and,
u forgot about the weight.
average.....for every 10 lbs u loose 1 HP....

[SR20B12]

Originally Posted by nismowu

it's wrx not sti....and,
u forgot about the weight.
average.....for every 10 lbs u loose 1 HP....

okey , Im sorry WRX. still if your math is on par you still lose. because the WRX still out classes the Sentra by 13 ponys. in HP VS wt. compairing the wts of the cars I got the diffrence this way. it will still gain the advantage. no to forget the turbo aspect as well.

Now if you do the same as well to the spec v.
you would be in the neg. with your formula..2710 div.this by ten right.
so you are saying you will lose more or less 271 HP due to the wt. of the car. now the car only has 175 ponys to start with??? somthing is 271-175= -96 ????? is this rith or am I missing something???

[nismo_pilot]

thats weight on the crank that loses power, but your power to weight ratio will still suck if you have more weight, you just wont lose power, and again the fact that the wrx is 4wd hurts it from a roll, do we not understand thins? extra rotational mass means more drivetrain loss, PLUS it is heavier, thats two strikes against 4wd from a roll, and when have you broken your tires loose from a 45 roll? if you ever have then you shouldnt be wondering if youll beat a stock wrx, youd be up there with cobra mustangs and stuff, traction is not an issue from a roll, unless youre in a 1000whp front drive car or something, please re read my post before this, im sick of arguing with a brick wall, spec wins from a roll, done