what happened to automotive forums?

['97ventureowner]

Originally Posted by CL8

So why don't I have permission to access any of the pages linked above?

Because those pages are only accessible to Moderators of this site. We have special forums to discuss site matters and info pertaining to our work here. I think Blazee may not have realized that those were not accessible to all members when he posted those links.

[blazee]

Originally Posted by '97ventureowner

Because those pages are only accessible to Moderators of this site. We have special forums to discuss site matters and info pertaining to our work here. I think Blazee may not have realized that those were not accessible to all members when he posted those links.

Actually, I have a very good understanding of the forum permissions. That's how I knew that I could safely post the links to those threads for the moderator that I was replying to and not compromise their security.

['97ventureowner]

Originally Posted by blazee

Actually, I have a very good understanding of the forum permissions. That's how I knew that I could safely post the links to those threads for the moderator that I was replying to and not compromise their security.

AHA! So that's how it's going to be...( I figured as much.)

[blazee]

Originally Posted by '97ventureowner

AHA! So that's how it's going to be...( I figured as much.)

[oldblu65]

The first four times I contributed to or started a post , I was " reamed " out three different times by two different moderators . Certainly not the way to welcome newcomers or build site participation ! I think this site is much like a boss I used to work for . If you agreed with every thing he said , he was a pleasant enough fellow . But if you ever expressed views different from his or dared to argue with him ..... Well I think you know how that would go ! That was and still is the feeling I get here . I actually received a PM from an administrator wanting to know the name of the two moderators but I didn't waste my time responding . The old saying " the nut don't fall far from the tree " is the way I think this site is run . What I mean by that is the moderators ( and I'm not saying all of them are guilty of negative deeds ) are only reflecting the views and behavior that is allowed by administrators . So who's to blame ...you tell me ? I am still an active member ( when I have time to visit the site ) that chooses my words carefully and selectively so as to not feel the wrath of certain people . The latter is likely what I'll get soon .

[blazee]

Originally Posted by oldblu65

The first four times I contributed to or started a post , I was " reamed " out three different times by two different moderators . Certainly not the way to welcome newcomers or build site participation ! I think this site is much like a boss I used to work for . If you agreed with every thing he said , he was a pleasant enough fellow . But if you ever expressed views different from his or dared to argue with him ..... Well I think you know how that would go ! That was and still is the feeling I get here . I actually received a PM from an administrator wanting to know the name of the two moderators but I didn't waste my time responding . The old saying " the nut don't fall far from the tree " is the way I think this site is run . What I mean by that is the moderators ( and I'm not saying all of them are guilty of negative deeds ) are only reflecting the views and behavior that is allowed by administrators . So who's to blame ...you tell me ? I am still an active member ( when I have time to visit the site ) that chooses my words carefully and selectively so as to not feel the wrath of certain people . The latter is likely what I'll get soon .

I just checked your history, and see the posts that you were talking about. They all were indeed violations of the rules. You not only bumped old threads, but did so in order to tell people to go to other forums. Both of those are outlined in the guidelines that everyone is required to read and accept before joining. If you were just upset that someone pointed out the rules to you, then I would say that's on you for not reading them. However, if the moderators were rude to you or abrasive, then that is a problem. Moderators are required to follow the same rules as everyone else (actually more because we have the member guidelines and moderator guidelines to abide by), that includes the part about welcoming new comers with open arms. Admins and the (majority of) moderators take that seriously, and will investigate any allegations about AF staff, and take punitive action if they were abusive to a member.

[twospirits]

Like my sig says, if anyone has a suggestion to make the community better, let us know. Be it suggestions or complaints. But bringing it up now after the fact that an admin (most likely me) asked for the full story or whom were involved and you did not follow up leads me to believe that everything was resolved.

Originally Posted by CL8

Does anyone know why the Admin has blocked access to the members listing?

As for the member list, both kris and Blazee are correct. Its for spam prevention. Plus we have over a half a million members and listing them all would put a strain on the servers.

TS

[oldblu65]

I do feel the two moderators were rude and abrasive ! They were probably correct in pointing out what they did . My problem ( and it sounds like a lot of others problem ) is the manner and tone that is so often used by moderators in berating the offending parties .Looks to me if everyones posts were so thoroughly evaluated that the moderators responses would be a " red flag " and wouldn't have to be pointed out to administration . Anyway , I've moved on . Not trying to offend you or anyone else connected to this site . This site has vast possibilities but seems to many like it's headed in the wrong direction . Again , no offense meant .

[kris]

Originally Posted by oldblu65

I do feel the two moderators were rude and abrasive ! They were probably correct in pointing out what they did . My problem ( and it sounds like a lot of others problem ) is the manner and tone that is so often used by moderators in berating the offending parties .Looks to me if everyones posts were so thoroughly evaluated that the moderators responses would be a " red flag " and wouldn't have to be pointed out to administration . Anyway , I've moved on . Not trying to offend you or anyone else connected to this site . This site has vast possibilities but seems to many like it's headed in the wrong direction . Again , no offense meant .

The direction it is heading has had its ups and downs. But since the inception in 2000, it is obviously doing something right. You could have helped in correcting an issue that maybe was not seen from above. But with you not wanting to help with the problem really doesn't amount to much. You cannot gauge a single person, who oversees 50+ people, by the way a few of them act or respond. (not sure on the exact amount of moderators). That would be like blaming a Battalion Commander for the way one of his Platoon Commanders acted.

[CL8]

I would love to see an auto mechanics "online course" in this forum.

(Just the basics of how the vehicle engine and other parts work.)

I am a driving instructor, so I know more about how to drive than the mechanics of a vehicle, but I would love to learn!
It would give me helpful advice to tell my students!

[CL8]

Originally Posted by twospirits

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As for the member list, both kris and Blazee are correct. Its for spam prevention. Plus we have over a half a million members and listing them all would put a strain on the servers.

TS

I figured the amount of members had something to do with it.

[oldblu65]

Battle commanders are responsible for the actions of their platoon commanders and platoon commanders are responsible for the actions of platoon members ! If you're a veteran , you'd know this . If you're not a veteran , why are you using this analogy ?

[kris]

Originally Posted by oldblu65

Battle commanders are responsible for the actions of their platoon commanders and platoon commanders are responsible for the actions of platoon members ! If you're a veteran , you'd know this . If you're not a veteran , why are you using this analogy ?

Odd, because I would follow my old BC anywhere who in my mind was a great leader and mentor, but often questioned my PC's motives and actions, and could not wait for him to move on.

The BC is responsible yes, but did my PC's actions reflect on the type of leader our BC was? No.

[oldblu65]

Maybe the BC wasn't aware of the PC's actions and would have corrected such actions if he had known . You said "You could have helped in correcting an issue that was not seen from above but with you not wanting to help with the problem really doesn't amount to much " I'm not sure what those last five words ( " really doesn't amount to much " ) means ? But if the PC 's action were inappropriate and harmful in some way , the BC would eventually had to pay some price for allowing it to happen .Also , by you keeping silent about the PC's misdeeds and not informing the BC of said problems , weren't you contributing to the problem and not helping resolve it ? Look , I'm not a bad guy , ask anyone that knows me and I think they'll agree . I know now some of my early posts were in violation of forum rules . The truth of the matter is I didn't read the rules when I registered as I'm sure 99% of new members don't . When the moderators informed me of that , if done in a more appropriate manner , I would have had no problem with that at all ! But I feel their responses were rude and abrasive . One of the responses I felt was an attack on me " personally " and maybe I overreacted as much as the moderator did . The problem was not being corrected about violating forum rules but the way it was done . We all should remember the " Golden Rule " - " Treat others as you would have them treat you " . An attack is probably going to get an attack in return . Maybe we should let this matter lay to rest and move on to more fruitful things. What do you say ?

[kris]

Sounds like we are somewhat on the same page, in more of a roundabout way.