Locations of McLarens in the US...

[gerd]

Don't think that #014 is the same car sold by David Clark, a yellow one. Schaevitz lives in New York. THree cars have been approved this year (through May 1.) Jeans (#022) under a different name, 068 Selldorf, and one other. But I believe that Selldorf's LM may be the other.

[mini magic]

i have that 014 is now owned by tommy caiola and its located in conneticut

[amanichen]

I have a sighting to report:

I saw a red McLaren F1 on 6/28/2003 @ 10pm on route 175 in Maryland.

I was brining my brother and his friend home from the movies and I saw a very fast and very loud car pass me on the left as I was getting into an exit lane. At first I thought it was an Enzo, but then I floored it to get closer for a better look. I distinctly saw the four tail lights, and the air intake on the back of the car. Had I not been on the exit already I would have followed it to grab a liscence plate number.

I've seen a few pics of F1s that had the left and right rear view mirrors mounted on the very top of the car-- this one was configured in the same way.

[tvrfreak]

sure it wasn't a Lotus Exige?

[Peloton25]

Well there is a red F1 road car supposedly coming to the US - I don't believe any are here now. I heard it was headed for the Bay area though.

I'm just speculating here, but it's certainly possible that it's at that ICI in Maryland (JK Technologies) and that someone took it out to have some fun with it...

amanichen - Were you anywhere near this place at the time of the sighting?

J.K. Technologies, L.L.C.
3500 Sweet Air Street
Baltimore, MD 21211
Rep: Jonathan Weisheit
Phone: (410) 366-6332
Fax: (410) 366-7655
Email: [email protected]

I think J.K. was the ICI that Dick Fritz used to convert several of the F1s he was responsible for bringing in.

Just a guess anyway...

>8^)
ER

[amanichen]

Originally posted by tvrfreak
sure it wasn't a Lotus Exige?

Yes. The road was moderatly light by overhead lights. At first I only noticed the red color of the rear bodywork and the tail lights and I almost half believed my brother's friend when he thought it was an Enzo. But then I sped up, and got closer: I distincly saw the air intake. No other car I know of has an intake like this. As well, the mirrors were mounted high on the chassis like a few F1's i've seen.

I came directly home and showed my brother and friend 3/4 rear shots of F1s to make sure I wasn't dreaming. They both agreed that that what we saw was indeed an F1.

amanichen - Were you anywhere near this place at the time of the sighting?

I wasn't any where near the city. This is out towards the suburbs -- around 30 miles west of the city. It was actually right at the junction of Route 175 and Route 29 in maryland (hence me already being in the exit lane before it passed me.) You should be able to find this on a roadmap.

If you wanted to take a joyride (in ANY car), you'd do it in western maryland at night. The traffic on the 3 lane roads tends to be light, and most of the cops are home by that time. Going for a spin in balitmore at night, esp. with the ridiculously high crime rate, is not a good idea.


EDIT: I don't know if this has anything to do with it or not, but I did see a black Viper and a Red Testarossa (one of the earlier ones) on the other side of route 100 heading east. Both sightings were within about ten minutes of each other. Maybe there was a car show in the area -- I wouldn't be one to keep up on knowing if there was.

[gerd]

Why would Dick Fritz need an ICI if he is a manufacturer? The EPA Certificates for Fritzees cars went to JK. In June of 2002 EPA raided JK Technologies seizing computers, records, everything related to McLarens, IMHO.

Lotus Extige on the road? That would be illegal. Unless you used dual citizenship on the DOT Box 5 HS-7. Or listed yourself (with your home address) as a manufacturer with the NHTSA WMI and CA DMV. (I'm sure this sounds familiar to someone here!)

[mini magic]

Originally posted by gerd
Why would Dick Fritz need an ICI if he is a manufacturer? The EPA Certificates for Fritzees cars went to JK. In June of 2002 EPA raided JK Technologies seizing computers, records, everything related to McLarens, IMHO.

Lotus Extige on the road? That would be illegal. Unless you used dual citizenship on the DOT Box 5 HS-7. Or listed yourself (with your home address) as a manufacturer with the NHTSA WMI and CA DMV. (I'm sure this sounds familiar to someone here!)

what do you mean by it is your opinion that "In June of 2002 EPA raided JK Technologies seizing computers, records, everything related to McLarens". they either did or didn't.

About the exige (you spelt it wrong), so what if it was here illegally? There was one on ebay a while back and they guy said it wasn't road legal, but that doesn't mean that the new owner wouldn't drive it on the road. whats your obcession with illegality?

[tvrfreak]

Pretty cool if it was indeed a McLaren. Did it have a fixed rear wing or not? The only other car that it could possibly have been, perhaps, is an Ultima. But if three people agree it was a McLaren, I am pretty sure it was. Wonder who?!

[tvrfreak]

Oh no, gerd's medications are wearing off again...

Why would Dick Fritz need an ICI if he is a manufacturer?

Err, to import the cars until he could fulfil his legal requirements for modifying them enough to be able to say that he is the manufacturer or remanufacturer? No one besides you seems to care. McLarens have now been legalized through Show and Display.

The EPA Certificates for Fritzees cars went to JK. In June of 2002 EPA raided JK Technologies seizing computers, records, everything related to McLarens, IMHO.

Is this fact or opinion? You wrote IMHO as if you are not sure what the EPA was looking for, but you think it was information related to the McLarens. How do you know what they were after? And how does this link to Dick Fritz? It's not his company that was raided. No one besides you seems to care about this.

Lotus Extige on the road? That would be illegal. Unless you used dual citizenship on the DOT Box 5 HS-7.

That would be illegal...unless it was legal. That's what you are saying. So maybe it was here on a temporary visa. Maybe it wasn't. We were wondering what kind of car it was, not whether it was here legally or not. That's your area of expertise, or not. You are wrong about needing dual citizenship. Any single non-US citizenship is all that is required.

Or listed yourself (with your home address) as a manufacturer with the NHTSA WMI and CA DMV. (I'm sure this sounds familiar to someone here!)

I think you are referring to me and my company. I did not have facilities at the time I registered. I asked if I could use my home address as the official mailing address before I submitted it. It was okayed by all the authorities concerned, as long as I maintained a separate space in the house designated as the office, which I did.

Since then, I have secured the use of facilities in Southern California. I was just there yesterday, checking out a 240 hp engine conversion kit for the Elise S1, S2, S3, Exige, and Motorsport models. We are also putting in a Mustang Cobra engine in the TVR.

I don't want to change the address on record because I travel so much and I don't want to miss anything important. Is that ok with you?

[amanichen]

Originally posted by tvrfreak
Pretty cool if it was indeed a McLaren. Did it have a fixed rear wing or not? The only other car that it could possibly have been, perhaps, is an Ultima. But if three people agree it was a McLaren, I am pretty sure it was. Wonder who?!

No wing as far as I could tell. Only unusual thing was the afforementioned mounting of the mirrors. I've only seen one or two other cars with mirrors like that.

[Peloton25]

The mirrors are the one thing that leaves me guessing. Besides the Clinic Model (which never had an engine), I've never seen a photo of a red F1 with the high mirror position. Hard to say... I wish you had gotten some photos or been able to follow the car long enough to confirm it was an F1. (based on center driving position, badges, etc...)

Are you certain it was not a Saleen S7?? It also has an intake in the roof, but it doesn't have the cover that flows down the rear engine cover like the McLaren does. The rear of the S7 is quite similar to the McLaren as well IMO - actually, the whole design is quite similar - and the S7 has the same 4 round lights at the rear.

Here's a rear 3/4 shot of a Burgundy S7 for comparison...

>8^)
ER

[tvrfreak]

Good point. I'd forgotten that the Saleen had 4 round lights as well. Anyone seen one on the road?

[mini magic]

Originally posted by amanichen
No wing as far as I could tell. Only unusual thing was the afforementioned mounting of the mirrors. I've only seen one or two other cars with mirrors like that.

i only know of 2 cars with wings like that. one of them doesn't run (clinic car) and the other dissapeared (chris dawes' car), and neither were red

[mini magic]

tvrfreak if right, gerd stop the flaming