First Nitrous now Co2, what next?

[tran_nsx]

trees absorb CO (carbon monoxide)? are u sure about that? they take in CO2 and let out O, whereas we take in O and let out CO2, basically a cycle.

[CBFryman]

^^not all trees/plants...but there are some...otherwise there would be an overly large build up of carbon monoxide...and i beleive (im not sure) that carbon monoxide is almost exactly as dence as air...i may be wrong though...but if it is and it was never disposed of we would be getting carbon monoxide poisoning every day...i cant remember...it is either nearly equal in density or much less dence...i dont think it is more dence though... gahhh i wish i could rember this kind of stuff from chemistry...

[tran_nsx]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

^^not all trees/plants...but there are some...otherwise there would be an overly large build up of carbon monoxide...and i beleive (im not sure) that carbon monoxide is almost exactly as dence as air...i may be wrong though...but if it is and it was never disposed of we would be getting carbon monoxide poisoning every day...i cant remember...it is either nearly equal in density or much less dence...i dont think it is more dence though... gahhh i wish i could rember this kind of stuff from chemistry...

well u have to give me some proof of this, i've just taken bio this summer and all the plants need CO2 not CO. carbon monoxide is a odorless, colorless, poisonous gas that is created by the incomplete burning of fuel through combustion engines, fires, factories, etc., etc.
it does however once it gets into the upper atmosphere, ultraviolet light hits it, it then turns into CO2 and O.

[CBFryman]

^^i know what it is...i can remember if it is more or less dence than air at room tempature...

[tran_nsx]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

^^i know what it is...i can remember if it is more or less dence than air at room tempature...

it's neither, it has the same density as air. if u know what it is, then u know that this isn't the same as a natural gas and it can not support life unless its molecular compound hs been changed to either CO2 or O.

[TRD2000]

try living under one of the holes and perhaps you'll bother to find out more about it...keep living in your closed little imaginary world where everythings just fine and the monsters go away if you close your eyes....

in addition BMW haven't been using fuel cells, they've been using fuel tanks, and crash testing them since the seventies to get them safe. fuel cells are used to provide power for electric cars, i guess that means that "delivery" is as simple as some battery cables.

[CBFryman]

well besides the fact that the only hole that is large enough to make any impact is over antartica....and the fact that it has not been proven that we are causing global warming, if it even exists...let me ask yo ua question...are you with green peace or something? im being serious...

[psychorallyfreak]

Holy Christ.
I can't believe I just read that.
Liberal BS? Greenpeace?
WTF chapter of the KKK are YOU with???

[TRD2000]

haha no... and the hole at the moment is actually over Australia and New Zealand, not Antarctica, you really are ignorant and like showing it huh?

you mentioned earlier that trees use co2 (and you said co hahaha) i don't know if you've noticed, but theres an awefull lot of farmland that used to have trees on it, and grass and crops don't make up for it, I really don't know if theres any point actually explaining ice core samples or "facts" to you, you simply dont seem to be capable of thought!

incidentally the hole in the ozone layer and global warming can be looked at as two seperate issues. If you'd ever BEEN under that hole you'd know it doesn't affect temperature, it allows UV spectrum light through.

[CBFryman]

mmmhmmm....no shit more UV rays dont effect heat....now lets hear it class...what for omf electro magnetic radiation causes molicules to become excited which our body trandlates as heat? i dont know what ozone depth maps you have been looking at but last time i have checked the only depletion that is large enough to make an impact is just west of the southpole...the large hole that was scaring the S*** out of earth loving left wingers completely covered antartica...but is now almost completely gone...wana know what? well if you knew anything yo uwould know that after UV light brakes down CFC's into Chlorien and Florien the chlorien they both have a positive charge and the carbon in the mix falls towars earth with the extra electrons untill it reacts with some oxygen to make C02...and since the Halogens are now positively charged they are attracted to the "negative" part of the earth...aka the south pole...now that we have learned al little chemistry lets shut our mouths and go wack off to "three time purple heart winner" john kerry...anyways this is a car chat and not a lets save ourselves from the big bad mistakes of the users of CFC's back in 1920-1970....

[paul19]

I agree with CBFRYMAN I dont think that global warming is an issue i think it is just going through a cycle like it has in the past. I dont want to get flamed and dont want to get more into the argument, i just thought i should share that im on CBFRYMAN's side and dont think its an issue.

[TRD2000]

80% of Australians and New zealanders are expected to have skin cancer in their life as a result of increased UV radiation. As i've said if you guys had ever been under the hole you'd feel what i mean, it's worse in NZ than Aus, and its worse in Southern Aus than northern Aus. You can FEEL it. besides, all i said originally was hydrogen cars are better for the environment, whether you think theres a problem or not that has to be a good thing!

[SaabJohan]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

short term perhaps... long term hydrogen will be good. still means you use the oil but at least you're not churning out CO2... depends what the rest of the oil gets used for.

As long you're using crude oil you will get the emission of CO2, the only difference is where you get it, at a factory or from your car. And using hydrogen will use up more crude oil than using gasoline.

If you don't want any CO2 emissions use for example bio-ethanol.

[TRD2000]

i have to admit i'm not familiar with the process of getting hydrogen from oil, i always thought they got it from water, by electrolisis (going back a while now), thats the aim of most of the car companies and stuff too cause it's renewable. i was thinking (depending on how its extracted from the oil, the biproduct could have gone to plastics or something rather than being combusted. OK I'm lucky enough to work for a petrochem company so i'm gonna go talk to the process engineers and find out what the rest could be used for.

plants that produce hydrogen from water?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printable

synthetic compound producing hydrogen from sunlight?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science...n-advances.htm

theres no doubting that hydrogen is a FUTURE potential fuel, for a number of reasons.

[CBFryman]

TRD2000 do you live in australia? or NZ? and where do you get your facts about 80% of aussies expected to get skin cancer? i can show you the most recent ozone depth maps i can find (late 2002) where are your facts about the whole 80% deal? just curious...