First post with new car!

[Gotian]

Originally Posted by -The Stig-

When it comes to N/A power and reliability the last car I think of is Rx-8.

Sorry. Fun car to drive though, that I will say it is.

I could prove you wrong. There are plenty of RX-8's that have hit over 100k miles and havent had a single problem. My step dad had a 86 non-turbo RX-7 that went over 200k miles and never gave him a problem, he had to get rid of it because my brother was born back in 97. As long as you take care of the cars they will take care of you, basically goes for most vehicles, some it's in their nature to just break down, like DSM's and VW (Kicks the jetta once more)

[VR43000GT]

Originally Posted by Gotian

I could prove you wrong. There are plenty of RX-8's that have hit over 100k miles and havent had a single problem. My step dad had a 86 non-turbo RX-7 that went over 200k miles and never gave him a problem, he had to get rid of it because my brother was born back in 97. As long as you take care of the cars they will take care of you, basically goes for most vehicles, some it's in their nature to just break down, like DSM's and VW (Kicks the jetta once more)

Glad to here your family has had good luck with them but that does not mean they are a reliable car. Take a look at consumer reports, etc when it comes to the RX-(), it's not good. Sorry, it just isn't.

[Gotian]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

Glad to here your family has had good luck with them but that does not mean they are a reliable car. Take a look at consumer reports, etc when it comes to the RX-(), it's not good. Sorry, it just isn't.

excpet that for 2 years 2004-2005 the rx-8 was consumer recommended, hmmmm 2006 didnt have a rating due to the fact that the 06 models came out too late, and then the '07 models recieved heat because of the recalls mazda had about the engines which applied 98% to RX-8 with an Auto transmission. On top of that what do most everyday consumers buy? AUTOS!

So yeah if you wanna believe everything you read especially about consumer reports which consists of reports from people who arent aware they need to add 1/2 a quart of oil every 1500 miles between oil changes because its the natural habit of the engine to consume the oil and those are the same people who arent aware that they need to redline the rotary engine a minimum of once a day to prevent carbon build up in in the ports (which by the way was the problem in the autos because they cant rev as high as the manual and people who buy the autos dont generally floor it anyways). These are also the same people who dont care what kind of junk you put into the gas tank because anything less than 91 will cause knock and timing retardation. So yeah go ahead and listen to consumer reports of average people over Thousands of enthusiasts who know how to maintain their vehicle.

Those everyday people should go by a honda or a toyota which is more forgiving on what kind of crap they do to their cars, where I will continue to do my bi-weekly maintainance on the car to make sure it runs properly. 23k miles and not a problem, no check engine light, no knock, no valve tick, i love the car and it treats me well in response to how I treat it, just like any other car.

[-The Stig-]

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by Gotian

So yeah if you wanna believe everything you read especially about consumer reports which consists of reports from people who arent aware they need to add 1/2 a quart of oil every 1500 miles between oil changes because its the natural habit of the engine to consume the oil and those are the same people who arent aware that they need to redline the rotary engine a minimum of once a day to prevent carbon build up in in the ports (which by the way was the problem in the autos because they cant rev as high as the manual and people who buy the autos dont generally floor it anyways).

Holy run on sentence Bat Man. On a more serious note, where in the owners manual does it say "you have to red line the engine once a day". I would love to see the scan of that. At least a page and quote or some such.

These are also the same people who dont care what kind of junk you put into the gas tank because anything less than 91 will cause knock and timing retardation. So yeah go ahead and listen to consumer reports of average people over Thousands of enthusiasts who know how to maintain their vehicle.

First you use Consumer Reports to defend your position, then here you say its wrong. You can't discredit your source, or else you discredit the entire argument.

Those everyday people should go by a honda or a toyota which is more forgiving on what kind of crap they do to their cars,

I find it a rather glowing aspect that you can beat the shit out of a Honda or Toyota, treat it like shit, and it will still run forever.

where I will continue to do my bi-weekly maintainance on the car to make sure it runs properly. 23k miles and not a problem, no check engine light, no knock, no valve tick, i love the car and it treats me well in response to how I treat it, just like any other car.

Your kidding, right? There is no reason, ABSOLUTELY NONE, that any car produced after the year 2000 should require BI-WEEKLY maintainance to be kept running in a proper fashio. NONE. Enthusiast or otherwise, you shouldn't have to do that much maintainance in one year just to avoid CELs, Knock, or Tick. Rotary or otherwise. I'm well aware that rotor motors have a bit more issues than their piston counterparts, and that they consume oil a bit faster, but really, that is just unacceptable.

[-Josh-]

The mazda RX-8 is the only car i've ever seen come off the manufacturers delivery truck with crank no start, engine problems...

[Gotian]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Holy run on sentence Bat Man. On a more serious note, where in the owners manual does it say "you have to red line the engine once a day". I would love to see the scan of that. At least a page and quote or some such.



First you use Consumer Reports to defend your position, then here you say its wrong. You can't discredit your source, or else you discredit the entire argument.


I find it a rather glowing aspect that you can beat the shit out of a Honda or Toyota, treat it like shit, and it will still run forever.


Your kidding, right? There is no reason, ABSOLUTELY NONE, that any car produced after the year 2000 should require BI-WEEKLY maintainance to be kept running in a proper fashio. NONE. Enthusiast or otherwise, you shouldn't have to do that much maintainance in one year just to avoid CELs, Knock, or Tick. Rotary or otherwise. I'm well aware that rotor motors have a bit more issues than their piston counterparts, and that they consume oil a bit faster, but really, that is just unacceptable.

1) It doesnt say it in the manual it's been proven by countless techs who have worked on the rotary engine that redlining it once a day will help to prevent carbon build up.

2) I only said that consumer reports said the rx-8 was a consumers choice for those that hold the values of consumer reports in such high reguards, I think consumer reports is 80% crap.

3)I never said there was anything wrong with a honda or toyota, but if you remember I did own a toyota and mine turned out to cause me more headaches than my jetta does.

4) by bi-weekly i meant every 2 weeks, maybe i shouldve put semi-monthly to avoid confusion, just forgot the wordings at the moment. Anyways if you did understand me the reason why I do maintenance is just to make sure fluids are good and brakes are good, I do drive alot and I wanna make sure everything is in tip top shape before I go. You do not need to maintenance the car that much, it's just something I prefer to do is all. The main thing is that you need to make sure you have a decent amount of oil so you dont run dry (Though you most likely wont run dry but better safe than sorry).


I know that I'm probably wasting my breath here on you guys especially when you hear rotary you automatically assume they are all like the FD's where they will explode on start up. But anyone who has owned rotaries or been around them enough will tell you that they are not all the same and that that the FD's were the cars that both helped to make the engine famous for being a good balanced, fast car and ruining the reputaion of reliability that the FC's put for the car.

Oh well, you dont want to listen its your choice, I'm out.


Oh and to the OP nice races, be safe and have fun with the car. Take it to an autocross course cause those things do very nice around the cones.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by Gotian

1) It doesn't say it in the manual it's been proven by countless techs who have worked on the rotary engine that redlining it once a day will help to prevent carbon build up.

Then show me the TSB. Show me the recall notice. Show me the advisory. Show me where it says that you should redline your motor once a day just to keep it from blowing up.

I only said that consumer reports said the RX-8 was a consumers choice for those that hold the values of consumer reports in such high regards, I think consumer reports is 80% crap.

So you agree with it when it supports you, but when it doesn't, you don't? Sorry, but this dog don't hunt. You either agree with it fully, or don't agree with it. Unless you can disprove the parts that claim counter to your initial claims, then it doesn't work like that.

I never said there was anything wrong with a Honda or Toyota, but if you remember I did own a Toyota and mine turned out to cause me more headaches than my Jetta does.

As did mine. And this just goes to show you can't utilize anecdotal evidence in order to prove a point. Or make base claims. Your RX and a some others have run fine. Thats great. That doesn't mean the majority of them have run sans problem, or haven't required extensive maintenance to keep in proper condition.

By bi-weekly i meant every 2 weeks, maybe i shouldve put semi-monthly to avoid confusion, just forgot the wordings at the moment. Anyways if you did understand me the reason why I do maintenance is just to make sure fluids are good and brakes are good, I do drive alot and I wanna make sure everything is in tip top shape before I go. You do not need to maintenance the car that much, it's just something I prefer to do is all. The main thing is that you need to make sure you have a decent amount of oil so you dont run dry (Though you most likely wont run dry but better safe than sorry).

I'm sorry, but the fact that you have to make sure to check your oil that often to make sure you don't run dry is still totally unacceptable. You should not have to do general maintenance twice a month to avoid CELs and engine damage on any car made after 2000. This is not a classic car on the original motor, this is a new car on a new motor and should not require such constant attention just to keep up and running.

I know that I'm probably wasting my breath here on you guys especially when you hear rotary you automatically assume they are all like the FD's where they will explode on start up. But anyone who has owned rotaries or been around them enough will tell you that they are not all the same and that that the FD's were the cars that both helped to make the engine famous for being a good balanced, fast car and ruining the reputation of reliability that the FC's put for the car.

Your missing the point entirely. I love FDs and FCs. Assuming my little MGB project goes off without any major hitch, the next pick is most likely going to be a rotary car. I haven't decided how I would go with such, but it is in the plans. I would love an FD with a well done mild port 13B or 20B, or hell maybe a quad rotor. The point we are trying to make is that it is a joke to think a rotary car is a perfectly reliable car. They suck oil like we drink water, they need a lot of work to keep running fine, and they are horrible with the mileage. Your fooling yourself if you think a rotary is a nice, reliable motor.

I'm well aware that you love your car, but you still have to point fault where it is. I do the same with my car. I disagree with the gearing thoughts, but the shift feel is vague, its wrong wheel drive, and the fuel pump is a major weak point when taking modifications into mind. However, it fits my needs AND wants perfectly, and I love it. That doesn't mean I wont point out anywhere it could be better. We aren't attacking you or your car, we aren't attacking rotaries, but when I think reliable cars, FCs, FDs, and RX8s are at the end of my list.

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[-The Stig-]

[2000LS1Z28]

Originally Posted by jeepgclwj

I've seen a new Si i/h/e at the track and the guy was getting beat by his son in a stock Cobalt SS/SC. The SI was running 14.3-14.6 and was trapping 97-98 all day. Now the guys son was almost dipping into 13,s and trapping at 102 in the Cobalt.

I say nice runs but I get walked pretty hard up top by slightly modded SRT-4's and I was trapping as high as that SI all day but pulling off a 14.2. What do you top out in 3rd gear?

I personally have tried to get several new Si's to run me lately but none want to try. I have been spanked bad by these 2 older turboed civics. Those things freaking haul ass up top...

I'm done...

That kid was lying to you if he said his Cobalt SS was stock and running 13's. Those cars can barely break out a low 14 sec. pass with a professional driver.

Anyhoot. I think your ride, author, is pretty sweet. Those new Si's ain't no joke for the money you pay for them. Minor mods will get them to dip into the low 14's, which is what i'd expect your car to run, provided you hook up.

[AMGalltheway]

What are we talking about ??

[-The Stig-]

Tits.

[CassiesMan]

They sold the first Nissan GT-R last night for the equivalent of $94k. It was used, LOL! Also, that new Mazda Furai...man that thing looks fucking mean.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

Originally Posted by 2000LS1Z28

That kid was lying to you if he said his Cobalt SS was stock and running 13's. Those cars can barely break out a low 14 sec. pass with a professional driver.

Anyhoot. I think your ride, author, is pretty sweet. Those new Si's ain't no joke for the money you pay for them. Minor mods will get them to dip into the low 14's, which is what i'd expect your car to run, provided you hook up.

Read his post again he didn't say he was running 13's.. but low 14's so you can still moan about it. [edited]

[jeepgclwj]

Originally Posted by 2000LS1Z28

That kid was lying to you if he said his Cobalt SS was stock and running 13's. Those cars can barely break out a low 14 sec. pass with a professional driver.

Anyhoot. I think your ride, author, is pretty sweet. Those new Si's ain't no joke for the money you pay for them. Minor mods will get them to dip into the low 14's, which is what i'd expect your car to run, provided you hook up.

I said he was almost dipping into 13's which meant low, low 14's. I was actually right there and witnessed this and I'm pretty sure that Cobalt was stock or he would not have had any trouble getting into 13's...