OMFG I Wana KIll this B*^*^!

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Has it occured to you that the impact and resultant force/pressure on the brakes/wheels/hubs etc during the initial collision might've done something to them? It also doesn't take that much to make a car lose traction and spin when it comes to impacts. I'm still not sure what you are describing. How did you feel the brakes went? Do you mean the wheels had locked? Were the wheels still rolling? What did the pedal do? What did the wheels do when you pressed on the pedal?

Heres the sequence of event's ~ After this I'm deleting this bogus thread I was pissed and vented it's over all claims have been filed. I'll have pictures of the new car in a couple of weeks.

1. Traveling down the PA Turnpike doing 40
2. We approach a merge into one lane construction zone
3. Hit the merge going about 10 mph
4. Reaching the summit of the bridge over the DE river goig about 2-5 mph
5. Black MB brakes down to a crawl in front leaving over 50ft of space between her and the next car - kinda of stupid
6. Checked mirrors toyota's wayyy back to far to even see if there is a driver in the camery
7. Mother spotted her in the rear view about 20 ft from us coming up FAST
8. Mom cuts wheel hits accel
9. Camery collides with our wheel cut just as we tryied to accel out of the way.
10. Camery made contact brakes applied full and no response or pedal pressure.
11. Force of impact fully transfered to us we slide straight with wheels cocked to the right
12. Last sec wheels greip car pulled a tid to the right but not enough we smash black MB about 10-15ft
13. We keep rolling whole hood snaps up side is completely crushed still rolling about 10-15 mph.
14. Still total brake loss bridge edge coming up might quick - E-brake pulled and finally rolls to a stop.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by BLU CIVIC

i know how you know they went out w/o the car being looked at by a professional...but how do you know they went out? being hit at 40mph did you thing that hitting the brakes would keep you from moving foward?

She said she felt the brakes go out on her. She had her foot to the floor and no response or resistance at all. We had room for the brakes to engauge + we acceled after contact no brakes engauged. Right as the impact happened the brakes were applied FULL and nothing.

Please think logically whats your first response ~ You know whats going to happen when your in Bumper to bumper traffic and your going to rearended.

Edit ~ Fixed

[BLU CIVIC]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

She said felt the brakes go out she had her foot to the floor and no response or resistance at all. We had room for the brakes to engauge, + we acceled after contact. Right as the impact happened the brakes were applied FULL.

i guess i'm the only one not understanding this...

[inafogg]

no i've been confused for awhile now

[freakray]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

Why would that result in failure? So you mean to tell me everytime the wheels cut when making a turn the brakes are allowed to go out? The brakes have 2 separate systems Front right + rear left & front left + rear right so even if one side fails you have another. Why would one wheel damage 2 systems? That makes no sence and in some cases higher end companies use 4 separate systems. There is no way one could cause all systems to fail there was something that had an interal failure. I think you fail to comprehend how serious total brake failure is this wasn't a typical one system failure. Never in my life have I experienced complete brake loss.

I think YOU fail to comprehend a lot. You're right, there's multiple systems, they can fail in an identical manner if both are inflicted with the same impact at the same instance.

BTW, how's the brake reservoir look?

mechanical engineer with automotive background < jcsaleen

So far, all I've seen you do in this thread is assign blame to Mercedes and some girl as to the cause of this accident. Maybe we should ask why your Mom only noticed this person speeding towards her when she was 20' away? Is she not paying attention to the traffic around her? (FYI, I have avoided accidents from behind just by using my rear-view in stop-and-go traffic so it can be done.)

[BLU CIVIC]

Originally Posted by freakray

Maybe we should ask why your Mom only noticed this person speeding towards her when she was 20' away? Is she not paying attention to the traffic around her? (FYI, I have avoided accidents from behind just by using my rear-view in stop-and-go traffic so it can be done.)

in traffic like that not everyone pays attention to traffic behind them b/c it's assumed they're paying attention...but not always the case...we all are guilty of not paying attention...depending on what was going on in the car it's lucky she noticed

[drunken monkey]

This could also be a good example of why you shouldn't ride the brakes
(it's the sudden red lights that catch people's attention - them being on all the time doesn't help) and why you leave a decent space between you and the car in front.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by freakray

I think YOU fail to comprehend a lot. You're right, there's multiple systems, they can fail in an identical manner if both are inflicted with the same impact at the same instance.

BTW, how's the brake reservoir look?

mechanical engineer with automotive background < jcsaleen

So far, all I've seen you do in this thread is assign blame to Mercedes and some girl as to the cause of this accident. Maybe we should ask why your Mom only noticed this person speeding towards her when she was 20' away? Is she not paying attention to the traffic around her? (FYI, I have avoided accidents from behind just by using my rear-view in stop-and-go traffic so it can be done.)

I guess your right, I just started mech engineering after taking a year of automotive and I have no experience with cars even though I've replaced,rebuilt and fixed tons of parts and modified numerious cars.

She was paying attention but it was assumed she was going to stop not accel towards us till impact. I think you fail to realize how neglegent she was. Also we were boxed in by cones it was a one lane work zone.

[lamehonda]

So the brakes failed during/after impact?

[jcsaleen]

I'll bump it up, they did during.

[lamehonda]

Not to be mean, but you can't expect the car to continue functioning after a big impact like this. If your air bags had gone off, would you expected them to have gone off again after you fell off the bridge? Why would you want to kill someone that didn't try to kill you? Life is cruel, learn to enjoy its cruel moments. This doesn't really compare to your situation, but is a better example of somebody that you should want to kill. When I was an 18y/o college student, a drunk driver demolished the back of my first car at 2 am while it was parked in front of my house. He then proceeded to run his drunk ass , on foot, down the street where the cops finally caught up to him. I had to buy a new car because my car was older and he did over $2000 in damage and made the car undriveable. I was in college at the time and had to ask my parents for money for the new car(that sucked). It took the courts 2 months to figure out how to punish him. In the meantime I had to walk 2 miles one way to work(that sucked even more) The courts finally awarded me $1535 to repair my car which had probably already been crushed. They gave him a year to pay me the total of the settlement. It has been 5 years now and I haven't seen a dime. He is at large and when the cops locate Frank Mcintyre, I assume he will be spending quite a nice amount of time in jail. I will probably get the money someday, now that I don't really NEED it. What really burned my ass is that the whole time I was walking to work, his pickup was still functional and he was probably using it to get back and forth to the bar.

Your accident sounds like exactly that. Innocent people sometimes make big mistakes. It is usually best to forgive them and move on. It doesn't sound like she did any financial damage to your mother.

[drunken monkey]

We've been through this already.
He expected the car to do its job, save their lives and still work as normal afterwards.
Then he expects them (MB)to take responsibilty for the car not working after being hit.
He also expected brakes to stop the wheels from skidding/sliding.
And he also wants to kill that girl because she made a mistake.

Is that too much to ask?