is type-R beatable?

[kris]

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i know this is off topic... but are there any websites where you can buy engines?

Plenty, it depends on what kind you need.

[gang$tarr]

can you list a few?
what are my options?
I was just wondering if say i bought some car too just mod up, like a civic or somethin and i wanted to do an engine swap.... then i wouldn't really know where to get the engine. Really all i wanna do is browse through prices

[kidkaotik]

the only thing is that those camaros lack the stylish look of an integra....and yes, they are much more reliable as well....

as for seeing if ricerockets can kill domestics? i've seen a lil civic tame a viper so that's what's possible, with the economy class car costing only a fraction of the huge gas guzzling machine....

domestics may be powerful, but they eat up too much gas, and the times you have to go refill in a night of racing is a pain in the ass....plus, they lack the suspension capabilities.

you wanna compare? compare flagship to flagship, compare cars of the same class, when a tiny car can whoop your fat v8 monster, well that's just plain an ass kickin'....be the underdog, and take out the big guns....i mean, if the bigger car wins, then it's just another race, but it's when the underdog wins that everyone oooo's and ahhhh's about....

[RiceEater T/A]

28mpg on the highway isnt gas guzzling, and yes i agree the camaro's looks are lacking in style. Also the suspension statement is false. Fbodies and vettes are quite agile for their size, and regularly take top positions in road racing. I know this is magazine racing but in SCC the base Mustang GT, beat the ITR on the track. And in Car and Driver the Camaro SS beat the S2000 by about 2 seconds on a road course. I test drove a S2000 before buying the WS6, it was a blast to drive, but i didn't like having to really ring out the engine to get some decent power. Under 6Krpms it made little power, I also prefered the styling of the WS6, the S2000 was too tame.

[Danny Boy]

Well, lets see. I have a total of $13K invested in my car including the purchase price and I have yet to see any Honda product even come close. The best I've seen is a Turbo Teg GSR run a 13.8 @ the strip. Boys, that ain't braggin rights by any means. Here's how I look at it. I don't care what it is, what it cost, what class its in or what you have at home in your closet waiting to go on. Most of all what Road&Track or any other mag says it will do. Bottom line is if its slow, its slow. end of story. I ran a 13.3 @ 107mph and I was embarassed. I get good gas milage (My gas is free anyway,I'm the one that drives the truck), and its just as reliable as it was stock. BTW, from what I have seen, I could buy and build two of my cars and still have less in them than a ITR stock.

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by Danny Boy
I ran a 13.3 @ 107mph and I was embarassed.

okay, so you'd be embarrased if you drove a Porsche 911 on the track? cause that's the same 1/4 mile time as a 911

[kris]

Originally posted by Danny Boy
Well, lets see. I have a total of $13K invested in my car including the purchase price and I have yet to see any Honda product even come close. The best I've seen is a Turbo Teg GSR run a 13.8 @ the strip. Boys, that ain't braggin rights by any means. Here's how I look at it. I don't care what it is, what it cost, what class its in or what you have at home in your closet waiting to go on. Most of all what Road&Track or any other mag says it will do. Bottom line is if its slow, its slow. end of story. I ran a 13.3 @ 107mph and I was embarassed. I get good gas milage (My gas is free anyway,I'm the one that drives the truck), and its just as reliable as it was stock. BTW, from what I have seen, I could buy and build two of my cars and still have less in them than a ITR stock.

Well, all in all, I will have spent less than $4k on my HB. As soon as I am done with the bodywork, I should be low in the 13's to mid 12's. Its reliable, gets 35mpg, and still hauls plenty of groceries. With a little more, I may see better times.

[kidkaotik]

as reliable as stock? does that mean that it'll die @ 100k mi? i'm not sure about the longetivity of domestics, but i don't think they'll last as long as imports....for instance, w/ very spirited driving more often then not, an integ will still be running strong @ 250k mi....actually, my friends is near 300k, it's a 94 gs-r, still running great, and he still races.....sure it depends on how well you maintain your car, but engine parts used in japanese motors are just made to last....that's why it costs so much to fix....cuz it happens so rarely......

bottom line, the type r will outlive your 2 cars, and still be able to whoop it......

sa for not being able to see any honda come close, you've got to be kidding....all you gotta do is grab a civic/crx chassis, throw in a jdm b16 engine, turbo the hell out of it, and you'll be rockin' 12's or even lower, all for about $10k, maybe a lil over

have fun w/ your wannabe mitsu 3000gt

as far as imports vs. domestics, i don't really look @ magazine for accurate stats, i mean, even they post that they can do better in better conditions etc, but what i can state is what i've seen from my own experience on street, not including track.....

1) i've seen multiple integs, including mine, beat mustang gts, auto or stick, but i've also seen the reverse, so it's a tossup

2) i've seen s2000s beat camaro ss's/ws6 though there is this one ws6 around my area all modded out that whoops s2000 this one nite....s2000 was a leased and therefore stock vehicle thou....

bottom line: i solely believe it's almost all driver, and if you can't drive your car, then you'll lose....i mean, you gotta know your car.....i mean, i 've raced my friends gs-r (pretty much same mods as mine) and lose to civics/integs/whatever, but when i drive my own, i win, same thing with him, he'll lose in mine, and win in his....

as for having to ring out the s2000 for decent power.....that's how the car was built, nice cruising driveability, but useable power when you need it.....it's a high revving machine w/ high compression, not just a huge displacement chevy block to make power....they're instead making power of a little 2.0L whereas chevy has to burn much more fuel to get power (5.7L), think about it, who has better engineering?, if honda used the same displacement and 5.7L, just imagine @ how much power it would produce!

so there you have it folks....my 2 cents

[kris]

Originally posted by Danny Boy
Well, lets see. I have a total of $13K invested in my car including the purchase price and I have yet to see any Honda product even come close. The best I've seen is a Turbo Teg GSR run a 13.8 @ the strip. Boys, that ain't braggin rights by any means. Here's how I look at it. I don't care what it is, what it cost, what class its in or what you have at home in your closet waiting to go on. Most of all what Road&Track or any other mag says it will do. Bottom line is if its slow, its slow. end of story. I ran a 13.3 @ 107mph and I was embarassed. I get good gas milage (My gas is free anyway,I'm the one that drives the truck), and its just as reliable as it was stock. BTW, from what I have seen, I could buy and build two of my cars and still have less in them than a ITR stock.

[RiceEater T/A]

Wow.. i didnt know people were still using domestic/import stereotypes. Understand one thing. Engines are made of metal, if you take care of them they last a long time. There is nothing magical about metal put together in Japan. My brothers 92 accord died at 110K miles, but my dads truck(89 Ford F-150) is going strong at 280K miles. It all depends on how you take care of what you have. Also my friend's Prelude had to have its transmission replaced at 10 miles. Not 10K, just 10 miles.

[kris]

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A
Wow.. i didnt know people were still using domestic/import stereotypes. Understand one thing. Engines are made of metal, if you take care of them they last a long time. There is nothing magical about metal put together in Japan. My brothers 92 accord died at 110K miles, but my dads truck(89 Ford F-150) is going strong at 280K miles. It all depends on how you take care of what you have. Also my friend's Prelude had to have its transmission replaced at 10 miles. Not 10K, just 10 miles.

I really dont think it is that, but rather penis envy.


I dont care what you drive. If you drive a damn metro, and can beat me with it, all the power to you. Its not what you drive, but how you build, and drive it.

[Danny Boy]

My car IS Japanese. Everyone sees Dodge and thinks American. WRONG!!!! Right now my car has 110K on it and it pulls low-mid 13's. It would be a high 12 car if I could drive it better (thats a 13.3 with a 2.2sec 60ft).
I've met guys with 250K + on their 3/S and still runnin strong.

[Mrcoilover]

Yeah the engine is made of metal. But it is the people putting it together is what scares me. I am a true american, but I wouldn't want my americans putting my car together. I am exagerating a little bit but.
It also involves the cheap american parts that work with the engine and the time spent lookin shit over and stuff. That is why your Sony big screen TV will last longer than your RCA or Phillips. ya heard me.

[Danny Boy]

Hey, now.... Don't go messin with My Phillips TV

I agree 100% with Japanese stuff being higher quality than good old fasioned American products. I would rather have a T/A than an ITR though. I also agree that longevity is a direct result of proper care and maintenence. I will be buying a 91 'teg in a few days w/62K on it that has been well taken care of and plan on having it for a daily driver for a long, long time. I'm a big fan of Honda, just not econo performance.

[gang$tarr]

yeah philips makes some good shit!!

like that TV you can hang on your wall, that things cool

but Jap stuff is way better quality