Boosting plan, tell me if im doing the right thing...

[Lefix]

Okay so after i buy your everything, i need:

Bigger aftermarket Fuel Injectors,
Oil Return Line,
Do i need a FMU? Like HpTuner?
Intercooler Pipings,
Turbo Exhaust manifold, where do i get that? I looked on ebay, none...
Good tuning... how are you suppose to get good tuning on the boringest island in hawaii? lol...

[Derk_eliso]

lol If you get hptuners you won't need a good tuning you can tune your own car like I can .... I don't know anything about the ecotech engine tho... the intercooler is a small one perfect for the size of the turbo so you're good there...now all you gotta decide is if you want 2.5" or 3" IC pipe which is a whole new argument all together. btw the IC is 2.5" wide but I dunno how tall or wide until I take it off....

[Lefix]

You bought all the turbo stuff new right? Or did you buy them from someone?

Should i do 2.5 or 3 inch?

Yes i wanna know your intercooler size please...

[Lefix]

Whats your innovate tuning module thingy? Is it a wideband sensor/controller? What does it do and do i need it? Are you going to include that as well?

Its a HKS Blow off valve that you are going to give me right?

I need turbo spark plugs right? 1 or 2 steps colder? Which brand is the best and should i get iridium or platnium?

Will i be able to run 250+ HP with this setup? on stock engine? and can i go over 300 HP after i build up the engine?

What kind of boost controller should i get? Greddy, apexi, HKS??

Also, i really dont understand how the downpipe is bolt onto a turbo setup and how it works, can you tell me?

[Schister66]

Ok...i'm going to make you a list of what you need for your car....you can use it as a kind of checklist if you want.

1. Manifold/dp/dump-----($500-2000) now you're going to want something that does a few things here. You want to keep your accessories like ac and ps, but dont want to sacrifice too much power by doing so. A log will do fine, but a shorty ramhorn is the best for the money on a lower HP street setup. Also, i would recommend a 3" exhaust, but 2.5" will suffice. This is a big step so dont half-ass it!!

2. Turbo-----($100-1200)again, a big choice. Most people think that you can just slap any old turbo on and go. You can, but there are turbos that are better than others for your setup. I've been testing one on my car lately and i can tell you that changing a few little things makes a HUGE difference. Dont rush or half ass this step at all!!

3. Injectors-----($80-300)your injector sizing will dictate your power more than your turbo/manifold/exhaust/etc...you can only make as much power as you can provide fuel for. Once you decide on a power goal, we can talk about injectors. I think you'd be safe w/ a set of 550cc injectors as they're good for about 350whp at stock fuel pressure.

4. Intercooler------($100-300) Most people think they know a lot about intercoolers, but are commonly misled. A larger intercooler and larger diameter piping will increase lag and pressure drop in a system which means your turbo has to work harder to make the same power. A good intercooler is one that is thick and not very large overall. Mine is a 28x6x3 and it is fine at 350whp. DO NOT get the biggest one you can find because it looks cool or whatever...you're just making your setup inefficient.

5. Piping-----($150-350) I would suggest mild steel piping because it is fairly inexpensive and will do the trick so to speak. If you have the bank, get either stainless steel or aluminum. Couplers are important in this step. Make sure to spend the extra money to get the good ones. I use Vibrant 4ply couplers and tbolt clamps on my setup. The trick w/ tbolts is to order them larger than your piping by 1/4" or you'll have fun putting them on....

6. Wastegate----($200-300) A wastegate is a very important part of the setup. You're going to need a 38mm. I can say that without even knowing your power goal. That wastegate is a very common and versitile one. I would get Tial because the TurboSmart, Deltagate and all that other crap is just not worth your time.

7. Boost controller-----($50-400) On your setup, you could use something like what i have. I'm using a Hallman MBC. You're not going to need some fancy EBC (electronic boost controller) because it has more options than you're going to need and is a luxury. You could better use the money elsewhere. My personal advice is to pick a light wastegate spring (.4-.5 bar) and get a good MBC.

8. Blow-Off Valve-----($100-250) My personal recommendation is a Tial, but if you're not making more than about 250whp, dont bother with it. At that power range i would get either the Greddy Type RS or the HKS SSQV. The HKS is the ricey choice though....it is very loud!! Tial is the best for functionality so if you're planning to make more power one day, invest in one now.

9. Oil Line Kit-----($80ish) I can get you one for a very good deal through StealthmodePerformance. If you want to look at their inventory and check out my car while you're at it, just put a www and .com on either side of the business name. Oil lines are turbo specific to a point...some require a little different fitting on the feed side. Steve will know and help you out.

10. Management (EMS) and tuning----($a lot)ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL is an understatement!! Most people think they can half ass a management system. Those are the people who blow up their engines. I cant say that i'm familiar w/ what is available to you guys w/ Cavaliers, but for Hondas there is a huge following. I know that if nothing else, you can use MegaSquirt. Personally, i would invest in a management that doesnt suck; therefore, AVOID the SAFC/VAFC, FMU and all those other bandaid fixes. For my personal setup, i've spent about $1000 in tuning and the system itself....be prepared to spend money here because this will make or break your setup.



If you decide to half ass any of these steps, you're going to have a bad setup or a lot of problems. Be sure to budget accordingly. When you need help, ask! If its worth doing, its worth doing right....the first time!!

Good luck

[Schister66]

that's the stuff you NEED....other than that, there are things that make life easier like boost gauges, vac manifolds and such....i'm sure i forgot something too...i usually overlook the small stuff

[Derk_eliso]

Im trying to sell this and you're not helping, lol.

let's see what questions did I have to answer again *looks up*...

yes it was all new

yes it's a wideband, no you can't have it, lol. I need it to tune my car, plus Iit's always good to know you're true a/f. I have a crappy piece of shit narrowband one you can have but it's not going to suffice so I dunno why I offered, lol.

yes hks

I bought zex plugs, they're for boosted/nitrous applications. But I've heard some other ones are real good...can't remember the name for the life of me now...

I don't know the slightest thing about your engine so I can't tell you want you should and shouldn't do... But I can tell you where to look, but please don't ask this question on their forums you wil get flamed to the end of the world and then dropped off... www.j-body.org go to the boost section.

he answered your boost controller thing

on this turbo it had a downpipe adaptor, basically you welded the downpipe to it and attached it to the bolts on the turbo... but I don't know if I can get that piece off or not, seeing how it is welded.... You might be able to find a flange to get on the end of it so the downpipe will work easily.

I'm not sure on the wastegate part though, it's internally gated so I wouldn't know how to get around that if you plan on more than 7psi... ask schister, lol.

this is the only video I have of it, which pisses me off, lol. but whatever. I got bored one day and decided to mess around with my camera...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIPMEXXFz0g

[Schister66]

You could make Dark Eliso's turbo setup for well for you. Personally i would change a few things, but thats me. If you are serious about getting a setup, i think his turbo kit is a great place to start. I remember him piecing it together actually.

For starters:
1. You dont need a wideband...just get it professionally tuned and forget it. Use that extra $250 to get a better tune/tuning software.
2. Use all the same size IC piping....either all 2.5 or all 2.25. I noticed in your vid that the HKS flange and pipe is smaller which is a constriction. If you get all the piping that small, you'd have less lag, but less power up top...provided you ever made enough power.
3. I dont recall what size exhaust he had, but i would get a full 3". It spools faster and makes more power overall
4. A boost controller works just the same on an external gate as an internal gate....

[Lefix]

Holy shit i like the sound of that...

Hmm, so you will include the downpipe too then?

So i need to buy:

larger fuel injectors,
turbo/boost spark plugs,
exhaust manifold,
some piping that i need for the IC,
HPTuner,
Maybe a external wastegate 38mm TIAL,
nuts and bolts,
couplers and clamps,

If i need more please add on to my list...

[Schister66]

if he's not including the manifold, then you have no use for the downpipe....every manifold sits differently

[millrtime]

wouldnt fit on a ecotec anyways. its mounted 180 degrees from the way the 2200 is and im pretty sure the manifold bolts wont line up. it looks like a nice setup. i would think about it for my car and leave it a sleeper if i had the money.....but i dont, so good luck

[Derk_eliso]

why can't I find any info on your stupid engine, lol. Um My entire exhaust is one piece now So I don't think that would be possible. On the same token, Look where mine goes, and what are the chances that yours would be in the right spot after you mount the turbo.

how about some teasers?







This is what it looks like without the downpipe adaptor...



and then the downpipe welded to the adaptor...







the IC



If I can get this off in one piece you can have this too, lol...

[Derk_eliso]

yeah even if I could include the manifold, even it WAS the same engine...

[Schister66]

LOL...your turbo is a bastard child....it's half Garrett/AirResearch and the other half Turbonetics.....nice

[jerseycavyz24]

Thats a pretty good checklist there Schister . Derk_eliso, why r u sellin the kit u just got it on?