GTR Racing Livery - Index

[Peloton25]

It was seen at Monza as well, and may have been used twice in China. I forget the details exactly, but can look for them later and confirm.

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[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

It was seen at Monza as well, and may have been used twice in China. I forget the details exactly, but can look for them later and confirm.

>8^)
ER

OK Monza was new case to me. This Davidoff livery was used only 1995, not 1996 anymore?
So shame the images are so rare of this livery!

[Peloton25]

According to John Brooks comments on the recent Speedhunters blog entries, the Davidoff livery appeared on #03R at Monza '95, Suzuka '95 and Zhuhai '95. It then made an additional appearance at Suzuka in '96. There is no mention of the livery being used for the race at Zhuhai in '96 as well, but #03R did compete at that event and I believe it would have worn the Davidoff livery once again. I'll look for some additional references this evening to see if I can confirm that.

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[DocGTR]

Davidoff livery was used on the 03R only on three races during the BPR'95: Monza, Suzuka and Zhuhai. All these three versions can be seen from the book GT Endurance 1995 (Cotton/Teissedre). Also the Cotton's Canon year book F1 McLaren GTR offers few images from Monza and Zhuhai '95 races. Driving Ambition (2nd ed. page 237) has incorrectly the photo 03R Davidoff chasing the 06R Harrods from the 1995 Suzuka race even though the text is for 1996. The incorrectness can be verified by the aerodynamical elements of just the Harrods car (rear wing especially). A better and correct photo can be seen in the GT Endurance 1996 (Cotton/Teissedre) book (p. 110) which confirms the 03R raced that time in the '96 edition of the West livery, similar to Spa (p. 147) and Zhuhai (p. 179) later that year. During the early season (before Le Mans race weekend) 03R wore the "Sal Oppenheim" livery, seen also on the first page of this thread as it took part in the Le Mans pre-qualifying that year. Cheers!

[hurstg01]

Originally Posted by DocGTR

Davidoff livery was used on the 03R only on three races during the BPR'95: Monza, Suzuka and Zhuhai. All these three versions can be seen from the book GT Endurance 1995 (Cotton/Teissedre). Also the Cotton's Canon year book F1 McLaren GTR offers few images from Monza and Zhuhai '95 races. Driving Ambition (2nd ed. page 237) has incorrectly the photo 03R Davidoff chasing the 06R Harrods from the 1995 Suzuka race even though the text is for 1996. The incorrectness can be verified by the aerodynamical elements of just the Harrods car (rear wing especially). A better and correct photo can be seen in the GT Endurance 1997 (Cotton/Teissedre) book (p. 110) which confirms the 03R raced that time in the '96 edition of the West livery, similar to Spa (p. 147) and Zhuhai (p. 179) later that year. During the early season (before Le Mans race weekend) 03R wore the "Sal Oppenheim" livery, seen also on the first page of this thread as it took part in the Le Mans pre-qualifying that year. Cheers!

Nice post! I see your library is quite extensive!

[DocGTR]

Thanks hurstg01 for the compliment! I have collected the literature and materials of F1's from the 1990's and also used that as a reference material for the miniatures/scale models of the GTR's. Also a large part of the digital material is thanks to this forum as I've been an "avid reader" of it throughout the years. So maybe I can pop in and give a comment if it helps the case to be solved or corrected.

BTW I really can recommend those Cotton's books even though pricey but for anyone that are interested in those GTR's as they raced to the glory they are really worth it.

[hurstg01]

The GT Endurance books are SO hard to get hold of. My library is quite extensive but I have yet to obtain the ones I need, although I do remember someone offering me one last year; was it for free?

[Peloton25]

It should be by now...

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[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by DocGTR

Davidoff livery was used on the 03R only on three races during the BPR'95: Monza, Suzuka and Zhuhai. All these three versions can be seen from the book GT Endurance 1995 (Cotton/Teissedre). Also the Cotton's Canon year book F1 McLaren GTR offers few images from Monza and Zhuhai '95 races. Driving Ambition (2nd ed. page 237) has incorrectly the photo 03R Davidoff chasing the 06R Harrods from the 1995 Suzuka race even though the text is for 1996. The incorrectness can be verified by the aerodynamical elements of just the Harrods car (rear wing especially). A better and correct photo can be seen in the GT Endurance 1996 (Cotton/Teissedre) book (p. 110) which confirms the 03R raced that time in the '96 edition of the West livery, similar to Spa (p. 147) and Zhuhai (p. 179) later that year. During the early season (before Le Mans race weekend) 03R wore the "Sal Oppenheim" livery, seen also on the first page of this thread as it took part in the Le Mans pre-qualifying that year. Cheers!

THIS.WAS.BRILLIANT.POST!
Thanks for these I think today rare details! Absolutely fantastic! Please continue to post these details, if you just know something, which we all GTR's fans can enjoy!

I have done to my self a database; teams, chassis, race numbers and sort of detail informations and the chassis #03R I have managed to find these informations:

Race Number #:
#49 1995 Le Mans - Sal Openheim Jr/Cie
#30 1996 Le Mans - Art Sports (and Castrol or just Art Sports or just Castrol?)
- #1 BPR 1995 West / East - Bscher / Nielsen
- #8 BPR 1996 West / East - Bscsher / Nielsen
- #8 Davidoff

The close up:
#49 Le Mans 1995
#30 Le Mans 1996
#8 1995 BPR Paul Ricard, Jerez, Silverstone, Nurburgring,
Brands Hatch,Donington, Jarama, Jerez
#1 Monza, Nagaro, Spa
#8 Davidoff Zhuhai, Monza, Suzuka

And then some questions about #03R racing history:
1. The Davidoff livery only wore number #8, no other race number and the drivers were only Bscher / Nielsen, no others?

2. The West / East livery 1996 was the only livery that #03R wore that seasons BPR races?

3. What about that Art Sports / Castrol livery seen at Le Mans 1996?
It's very close to West livery, but obviously it was sponsored different companies? Totally different case then?
Livery only seen at Le Mans?

4. I mentioned other Thread that Incar Sports Car Experience DVD, where the comentator talks about Peter Kox and the clips shown Kox driving 95' GTR. I remember, he says there that the track is Nurburgring, atleast that kind of image you get the words of commentator. But it just can't be if those details what I have; are true.
Kox only drove at Le Mans?, but would they took Le Mans clips of that DVD? It's bit strange I think, ofcourse it's possible but.....

Did I missed something about those details, races, numbers, teams, drivers, years?
Was there anything no correct information?
I have took the informations McLaren Guide site, where is full list of results and drivers and chassis and teams. But is there still something what I don't know?

I would be very greatfull if I someone could correct the faults.

[Le Man]

In 96, Kox raced 03R in the BPR series at Nurburgring and Nogaro.

This is from memory , so I will confirm tomorrow.

[DocGTR]

Originally Posted by Sami Aaltonen

THIS.WAS.BRILLIANT.POST!
Thanks for these I think today rare details! Absolutely fantastic! Please continue to post these details, if you just know something, which we all GTR's fans can enjoy!

I have done to my self a database; teams, chassis, race numbers and sort of detail informations and the chassis #03R I have managed to find these informations:

Race Number #:
#49 1995 Le Mans - Sal Openheim Jr/Cie
#30 1996 Le Mans - Art Sports (and Castrol or just Art Sports or just Castrol?)
- #1 BPR 1995 West / East - Bscher / Nielsen
- #8 BPR 1996 West / East - Bscsher / Nielsen
- #8 Davidoff

The close up:
#49 Le Mans 1995
#30 Le Mans 1996
#8 1995 BPR Paul Ricard, Jerez, Silverstone, Nurburgring,
Brands Hatch,Donington, Jarama, Jerez
#1 Monza, Nagaro, Spa
#8 Davidoff Zhuhai, Monza, Suzuka

And then some questions about #03R racing history:
1. The Davidoff livery only wore number #8, no other race number and the drivers were only Bscher / Nielsen, no others?

2. The West / East livery 1996 was the only livery that #03R wore that seasons BPR races?

3. What about that Art Sports / Castrol livery seen at Le Mans 1996?
It's very close to West livery, but obviously it was sponsored different companies? Totally different case then?
Livery only seen at Le Mans?

4. I mentioned other Thread that Incar Sports Car Experience DVD, where the comentator talks about Peter Kox and the clips shown Kox driving 95' GTR. I remember, he says there that the track is Nurburgring, atleast that kind of image you get the words of commentator. But it just can't be if those details what I have; are true.
Kox only drove at Le Mans?, but would they took Le Mans clips of that DVD? It's bit strange I think, ofcourse it's possible but.....

Did I missed something about those details, races, numbers, teams, drivers, years?
Was there anything no correct information?
I have took the informations McLaren Guide site, where is full list of results and drivers and chassis and teams. But is there still something what I don't know?

I would be very greatfull if I someone could correct the faults.

Sami, 03R wore only West/East and Davidoff liveries throughout the 1995 season, BPR & LM. The so called "Sal Oppenheim" livery (red sides, white center) was used only the early part of the 1996 season in BPR and the LM'96 pre-qualifying in April '96. Last race it was used was in Silverstone before LM'96 race weekend as there it wore the West/East-based livery similar to '95, but due anti-tobacco-laws in France could not utilize the West/East logos, but instead had the UenoClinic/ArtSports/TagHeuer-logos on it, only for this race weekend in many different settings (was nice to decide which to use to make a model and collect the correct decals!).

03R wore in BPR'95 number #8 and due to won championship of BPR'95 the race number was #1 in BPR'96. Drivers were mainly Thomas Bscher (owner) and John Nielsen, but '96 on few occasions as Nielsen had the duties in JGTC, Peter Kox drove instead ('Ring & Nogaro). LM'95 Jochen Mass was the third driver as in LM'96 Kox. On the DVD you mention, the clips are from 'Ring.

so:
1. yes, considering the Davidoff-livery
2. no, Sal Oppenheim livery was also used in '96
3. yes, only in LM'96, but the livery is basically the West/East-livery
4. Nurburgring (victory in the East-livery!)

Maybe that helps something.

[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by Le Man

In 96, Kox raced 03R in the BPR series at Nurburgring and Nogaro.

This is from memory , so I will confirm tomorrow.

OK, I start to believe of this, the commentator did mentioned that Nurburgring on that DVD and I believe that they aren't put those DVD's any wrong things, atleast if their reputation is on the table.

Anyway; this is McLaren Guide http://www.qv500.com/mclarenf1p6.php showing the drives of 1996 BPR season:
1996 BPR GT Championship: Paul Ricard DNF (Bscher/Nielsen), Monza 1st (Bscher/Nielsen), Jarama 21st (Bscher/Nielsen), Silverstone 6th (Bscher/Nielsen), Nurburgring 1st (Bscher/Nielsen), Anderstorp 5th (Bscher/Nielsen), Suzuka 1000km 4th (Bscher/Nielsen), Brands Hatch 4th (Bscher/Nielsen), Spa 3rd (Bscher/Nielsen), Nogaro DNF (Bscher/Nielsen), Zhuhai 6th (Bscher/Nielsen).

Strange that this is totally forget this information source........

DocGTR:
Thanks for right information about this KOX thing, I have been wondered that somewhile now and finaly got facts in it. The McLaren Guide was main reason that it was quite difficult to believe, but now I know it's true, Kox drove #03R at "Ring", right that the DVD showed.
When I have better time, I'll add these on to my own database. So Thank You!

[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by DocGTR

Sami, 03R wore only West/East and Davidoff liveries throughout the 1995 season, BPR & LM. The so called "Sal Oppenheim" livery (red sides, white center) was used only the early part of the 1996 season in BPR and the LM'96 pre-qualifying in April '96. Last race it was used was in Silverstone before LM'96 race weekend as there it wore the West/East-based livery similar to '95, but due anti-tobacco-laws in France could not utilize the West/East logos, but instead had the UenoClinic/ArtSports/TagHeuer-logos on it, only for this race weekend in many different settings (was nice to decide which to use to make a model and collect the correct decals!).

03R wore in BPR'95 number #8 and due to won championship of BPR'95 the race number was #1 in BPR'96. Drivers were mainly Thomas Bscher (owner) and John Nielsen, but '96 on few occasions as Nielsen had the duties in JGTC, Peter Kox drove instead ('Ring & Nogaro). LM'95 Jochen Mass was the third driver as in LM'96 Kox. On the DVD you mention, the clips are from 'Ring.

so:
1. yes, considering the Davidoff-livery
2. no, Sal Oppenheim livery was also used in '96
3. yes, only in LM'96, but the livery is basically the West/East-livery
4. Nurburgring (victory in the East-livery!)

Maybe that helps something.

Yep! This helped a lot, again.
HUH I think, I have #28 GTR's what I have to ask these same kind of things or more, to get everything right.........

About #03R livery's no the mystery has been solved! It's so great to know the details of those livery's, where it was used and how it changed during the time.

And always I start to wonder how mystery these 95-96 Years of BPR racing have been on GTR's view. All kind of mystery livery changes and driver changes. Are these all even marked on the books that the everything is correct....HUH.
And when there is fans like me, who wants to know everything, it comes very difficult and hard work to clear all out.

Now when you told it why the number changed #8 to #1 is very logical, I just did not remembered that West team won 1995 the Championship. So much unremembered things to me.

About the livery's and the 4 questions; thank you.
I really must fix my database just when I got some time to focus on that.

The thing #03R is closed, I think, so what GTR chassis we took next.....
You can't imagine how much I have questions about these things.

Of course I would search them my self, but I have no literature's were to find. So have to invoke to this forum's specialist.

[Peloton25]

Do #05R next.

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[Sami Aaltonen]

Just one more thing about #03R's racing numbers.

It was West / East livery Le Mans 1995, the racing number was then #49.
I have something wrong here, look:


1995 Davidoff #8
1995 BPR West / East # 8
1996 Sal Openheim #49 Le Mans?
1996 Art Sports #30 Le Mans
1996 BPR West / East #1



Erik:
I think I will go trought all GTR's, atleast Short Tails and J.J's. Just hoping people here have enough patience and time and motivation write the right facts. I really hope!
Just found that error on #03R's numbers, have to clear that first.