please help!! etc engine failsafe mode in lsv8 03'

[momssts]

Originally Posted by momssts

I'm back with the SAME PROBLEM..............etc engine failsafe mode,
the car is back in the shop this am...................
will report back with update....ginger

ok up-date, 3 coils are out that means we have now replaced 11 in the past 14 months plus the gasket is leaking oil. Lincoln is doing all the repairs at no cost to us............and they said they had to get permission from Lincoln to replace 3 coils, they are only to do 2 at a time.
ginger

[LincolnLSPaul]

My 2002 V8 had multiple coils replaced until I repaired the oil leak. I have not had to replace a coil since. There was not enough oil dripping to see it on the ground. It just dripped enough to foul up the coils. I hope this helps.

[momssts]

Originally Posted by LincolnLSPaul

My 2002 V8 had multiple coils replaced until I repaired the oil leak. I have not had to replace a coil since. There was not enough oil dripping to see it on the ground. It just dripped enough to foul up the coils. I hope this helps.

the oil leak was fixed the first time we had 2 coils go out, now 9 coils later they are replacing the gaskets again. I want Lincoln to fix all 8 coils at one time and then we should be able to start anew. the main mechanic said Lincoln will only do 2 at a time and had to get special permission to do 3 today. As I have been told that 2 at a time will lead to 2 more and so on and so on. One of the 3 they are replacing now was replaced two weeks ago. We have figured we have had 11 coils done in 14 months or LESS. thanks ginger

[shorod]

I certainly hope you are retaining all documentation on the issues you've been experiencing too. I think if I were in your shoes I'd ask the service manager to provide to you, in writing on their letterhead, his discussions with Lincoln and the constraints they've imposed, as well as documenting the recent work they've performed on your car with dates and vehicle mileage. You may need this in the near future when they no longer cover such repairs under warranty. Maybe after such a request, magically the Lincoln constraints will go away....

-Rod

[momssts]

Originally Posted by shorod

I certainly hope you are retaining all documentation on the issues you've been experiencing too. I think if I were in your shoes I'd ask the service manager to provide to you, in writing on their letterhead, his discussions with Lincoln and the constraints they've imposed, as well as documenting the recent work they've performed on your car with dates and vehicle mileage. You may need this in the near future when they no longer cover such repairs under warranty. Maybe after such a request, magically the Lincoln constraints will go away....

-Rod

I contacted Lincoln Headquarters direct this am.......the person is forwarding my situation to the team (?) that handles problems that
appear to continue with no resolution. I have requested at that time
to have Lincoln take my car and re-do all NEW that pretains to the coils, leaking of oil etc. instead of make shift work. will keep you informed.
not to worry we have all the paperwork........thanks Rod ginger

[shorod]

I'm actually quite impressed with Lincoln customer service. I had an odd vibration in my 2004 LS. The dealership looked at it and couldn't find anything wrong. They acknowledged the vibration, and a few days later called me and asked if I would be able to bring my car back the following week. They were having a field service rep flying in from Detroit to go for a ride along and offer suggestions. I tried to impress the rep by showing him oscilloscope plots of noise spikes from microphones I had placed in various areas of the car. He impressed me when he said to determine if they were actually the source of the vibration or just noise, they would need to be spectrum analyzer plots. He was write, I gave him time domain plots, he requested frequency domain plots. Unfortunately, I don't have a portable spectrum analyzer. But from that point on, I knew this guy had some credentials.

Unfortunately, even though he also experienced the vibration and the dealership performed work the rep suggested, nothing fixed the vibration. But, none the less, they made an impressive effort to resolve my complaint.

-Rod

[danielsatur]

Hi , I have noticed some water problems with early Jag & LS, both cars have the same DNA!

1) Was the cowl in front of windshield ever fixed?
The Computers,control modules, and electronics don't work in water.

Yep! Fail Safe mode,PCU faults,and misfiring is a symptom of water damage.
The water will roll onto the throttle body control module connector and short the signal from the APPS.

http://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=27311

I noticed, that water would roll from the bad cowl,onto the engine, down the ignition buss lines, and sneak into the rear of the COP cover on the left bank of motor.
The misfires on cylinder 3 of a V6, and cylinder 4 of a V8.

WOW! The V6/V8 on both cars don't like that cowl, it suppose tobe a rain diverter, the Lincoln LS has a recall, and Jaguar has a quick fix.

[Arjand]

Originally Posted by ANGIZEE1

other than replacing the trans, the only other problem i have with my ls is the engine, out of nowhere my car acted like it was going to cut out on me, the engine light came on and said " etc engine failsafe mode" this limits to me to only 2000 rpms, what could this be, the tps?

Worked on a car with the same problem, changed spark plugs, throttle position sensor, still didn't work, appeared to be a problem with bad fuel, try running premium gas and see if it sorts itself out.

AD

[kcobra]

I've got an odd vibration in my 04 ls also. It is worse when it's cold out and it starts above 45. No, it's not alignment or tire balance. That has been covered. I'm starting to think a bearing somewheres, maybe wheel bearing, or driveshaft out of balance (feels like that, my cobra had that before) or maybe a rear axle cv going. Not sure. If you think of anything, let me know.

Originally Posted by shorod

I'm actually quite impressed with Lincoln customer service. I had an odd vibration in my 2004 LS. The dealership looked at it and couldn't find anything wrong. They acknowledged the vibration, and a few days later called me and asked if I would be able to bring my car back the following week. They were having a field service rep flying in from Detroit to go for a ride along and offer suggestions. I tried to impress the rep by showing him oscilloscope plots of noise spikes from microphones I had placed in various areas of the car. He impressed me when he said to determine if they were actually the source of the vibration or just noise, they would need to be spectrum analyzer plots. He was write, I gave him time domain plots, he requested frequency domain plots. Unfortunately, I don't have a portable spectrum analyzer. But from that point on, I knew this guy had some credentials.

Unfortunately, even though he also experienced the vibration and the dealership performed work the rep suggested, nothing fixed the vibration. But, none the less, they made an impressive effort to resolve my complaint.

-Rod

[shorod]

I would expect that if a bearing were so bad that it caused a vibration, it would also have a nasty noise associated with it. Do you notice the vibration in the steering wheel at all, or just in the seats? Have you tried carefully shifting to neutral when the vibration is present to see if that effects the vibration? You could try inspecting the driveshaft for any signs of missing weights.

-Rod

[golgi4321]

Wow! New here. What an awesome thread to stumble across.

First, I'm having the ETC Engine Failsafe Mode happening on my '04 LS V8 right now. It's been 3 days now and started shortly after a fill up. Not sure if that comes into play...but worth mentioning.
Had a friend pull the codes today and they came up P2072, P2107, P2110 - all the codes have to do with "Throttle Actuator" issues. The first one is ice blockage, then the next is something with the processor, then the last references the PCM.
The ETC code only hits when traveling at low speeds or stopped. Over 20mph and it hasn't happened yet. We cleaned the throttle air flap thing...sorry can't think of the name...which was a little gummy and had some carbon build up. Put the air intake back together, drove home, and it's still doing it.
Because of the "ice blockage" code I've been putting some Heet in the tank thinking there's possible water in the fuel. Hasn't seemed to help.
Ran the diagnostic test on the scanner too and there were no misfires for about 10 minutes so I don't think I have the coil issue.

Funny this thread had the vibration comment for 04's. I have the same mystery vibration, mostly felt in the steering wheel. No alignment or balance fixes it, but it is somewhat intermittent. I have felt the vibration bad on the highway, threw it in neutral, restarted the car and the vibration was gone. Weird...

Anybody got ideas on the ETC Engine Failsafe Mode? Not killing me, but it's an inconvenient pain in the butt!

[joegr]

It could be the throttle body, but usually it is due to a defective COP (Coil on Plug). The #4 COP is usually the one to cause false throttle body codes.

[golgi4321]

But if a coil goes bad, doesn't it stay bad? This is intermittent and always at low speeds or when stopped.

[shorod]

It does sound like a coil issue, and I have yet to let a coil get so bad that it is continuous, they typically start out somewhat intermittent. If they go ignored long enough they get to the point where they misfire all the time, either because the plug fouls or the open circuit in the coil vibrates, heats, and cools enough that it gets worse.

When monitoring for misfires were you just looking for hard misfire codes or were you in the datastream mode monitoring all 8 cylinders at the same time? Some higher-end scan tools also have a component parameter mode where the scan tool can access individual cylinder misfire counts even if the counts are not high enough to trigger a diagnostic code. The component parameters are what I've had to rely on so far to find the intermittent faulty coils on my cars, I didn't let them get bad enough to trigger misfire codes.

-Rod

[golgi4321]

First, thanks for the help guys!!

Yes, we were monitoring during the datastream mode, monitoring all of the engine parameters, and there weren't any misfires. We weren't looking for hard codes exactly. But based on the intermittent nature that you're talking about Rod, I guess we might not see an issue in the 5 or 10 minutes we were monitoring.

Is this a recall that would still cover my car? It's '04 with 75K. My Lincoln dealer closed, but I'll call a Ford dealer this morning.