What's so great about a 5.0?

[351wStang]

Here you go silver. He has upgraded to a glide since he wrote this article. If memory serves he made nearly 1000rw on the dyno with the glide. But that was on an aborted pull, he had to shut it down at 5000rpms I think because he ran lean.

http://www.turbomustangs.com/project.../brentmain.php

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by 351wStang

Here you go silver. He has upgraded to a glide since he wrote this article. If memory serves he made nearly 1000rw on the dyno with the glide. But that was on an aborted pull, he had to shut it down at 5000rpms I think because he ran lean.

http://www.turbomustangs.com/project.../brentmain.php

Yep, I remember reading about that. I did not know he was running an R block though.

[silverstangs]

Says he is running a R-block, nothing about internals, if he is stroked or not. And that is the proof that I am looking for. Now is there any others?

And that's a Race block, not a production block off the Ford auto assembly line installed in a car or truck.

[SkylineUSA]

Silver,

You mentioned that the R-block is a marine block, which to me would be a FORD factory block, yes? We are talking about the block, I was not looking if the block had been stroked or not. If the block can take that power level, so be it I guess your point is if it still was a 302, you would need to spin it more to make that power level, which would be more stress issues on the block, but we were just looking at the block itself.

David was just pointing out the engine he was refering to was Brad's engine, which has been well documented of what power levels it has produced.

So, there are no factory 302 blocks that can handle 1000hp?

[silverstangs]

Originally Posted by SkylineUSA

Silver,

You mentioned that the R-block is a marine block, which to me would be a FORD factory block, yes? We are talking about the block, I was not looking if the block had been stroked or not. If the block can take that power level, so be it I guess your point is if it still was a 302, you would need to spin it more to make that power level, which would be more stress issues on the block, but we were just looking at the block itself.

David was just pointing out the engine he was refering to was Brad's engine, which has been well documented of what power levels it has produced.

So, there are no factory 302 blocks that can handle 1000hp?

There is not a single 302 engine that came with any fox body mustang that I have seen that can handle 1000hp the R-block which is a race block or marine block did not come stock in any fox body mustang. So again, I have yet to see a stock production block push 1000hp. Production means something that was produced for the assembly line at a factory.

[SkylineUSA]

I did not see the stipulation of a Fox Body Mustang only 302.

Boss 302 blocks can handle over 800hp all day long, but I am still looking for the unicorn 1000hp one.

[silverstangs]

Originally Posted by SkylineUSA

I did not see the stipulation of a Fox Body Mustang only 302.

Boss 302 blocks can handle over 800hp all day long, but I am still looking for the unicorn 1000hp one.

The stipulation was production block, which production block typically refers to engines used for the auto assembly line.

Your considering the R-block as a production, which it is not.

[SkylineUSA]

Let's look at the root word of production, which is produce, therefore any Ford produced engine meet this stipulation

You mentioned that the R-block and the marine block are the same, and that you never seen one hit a 1000hp, right? "and I have never seen a Marine or "R-block" hit 1000hp anywhere." Brad's engine has done well over that level, was mentioned to say that it has been done, thats all. No stipulations of production blocks in that statement, correct?

[silverstangs]

Originally Posted by SkylineUSA

Let's look at the root word of production, which is produce, therefore any Ford produced engine meet this stipulation

You mentioned that the R-block and the marine block are the same, and that you never seen one hit a 1000hp, right? "and I have never seen a Marine or "R-block" hit 1000hp anywhere." Brad's engine has done well over that level, was mentioned to say that it has been done, thats all. No stipulations of production blocks in that statement, correct?

O.K., for you, I will say I finally seen proof of a Ford produced 302 Racing block make 1000+ hp... but... I still have not see it in person, anywhere.

AS far as the stipulations..
Here goes..
I have not seen any mustang produced between the years of 1979 to 1995 that came with the 302 5.0L stock engine block (Stock Meaning made specifically for the mustang assemble line to be installed in a mustang that was being sold brand new off the dealer lot as a GT,Cobra or LX mustang that came from the factory with a engine that was making less than 300hp at the crank) make 1000+ hp when modified using the stock mass produced engine block(meaning the casting was used in over 250k engines). Which means that I'm excluding any 302 block that was designed for racing or marine use.

[SkylineUSA]

We can both agree on that

[TheStang00]

haha a 3.8 v6 can handle more power than a 302...

to bad its a lot harder to get it there

[351wStang]

Well that was a nice debate!

So, anyone wanna argue the breaking point of any 351ci (W, C, M) "stock production" blocks? For instance in my case a 5.8l/351w from a 1989 F-150. I hear 750hp breaking point, mabye I should buy a Dart block for the turbo upgrade.

[silverstangs]

Originally Posted by 351wStang

Well that was a nice debate!

So, anyone wanna argue the breaking point of any 351ci (W, C, M) "stock production" blocks? For instance in my case a 5.8l/351w from a 1989 F-150. I hear 750hp breaking point, mabye I should buy a Dart block for the turbo upgrade.

That's what I am told is the limit, but I do now know.

Sad thing, is that the 4.6L iron modular blocks can hit that 750 benchmark without issues... and I'm speaking from experience.

[SkylineUSA]

700-750, is about where I would stop.

My 69 block can handle a little more But, I will stop around 750 to make it last a little longer

[AltecZX2]

thats sad....5.8L block limit is 750...mean while a 2.4L turbo neons block is tested to take 600...wtf is that. and i know there are foci doing over 400 on a stock block.