Aaliyah Is Dead

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by Moppie

But you have to remember that none of us actualy knew her in person, an as far as the music industry is concerned she will be forgotten about and replaced in 3months.

not necessarily, look at 2pac he died over 5 years ago and he's been popular the whole time.... he's on the cover of a magazine right now, and he's been dead for 5 years (if you believe he's dead)

i'm not sayin aaliyah is gunna be popular for the next couple years, i'm just sayin that i don't think she'll be easily forgotton

[Moppie]

Originally posted by Mrcoilover
that was alittle harsh. u lucky u redeemed yourself. if you died would you want me saying bury that faggot and move on.

Wouldnt bother me. I would be dead

However I think you missed my point. Im only a few years older, significantly more educated, and with that education have a greater potential to affect change in the world than she ever did. However it would be a subtle under the surface change and the majority of the general population wouldn't care, and would have no idea.
Yet if I died tomorrow you would never know about it, even though it would be a similar loss to that of aylhia, same if I died in 45yrs time.
Why? becuase we make people famous not on what the achieve in the world, but on what they look like, and becuase others tell us we should worshp them.

Go back and think about why your more affected by her death, than the other thousands of death that occur in the world everyday. Essentialy they are all the same. A loss of human life is loss of human life, its a loss of the most precious thing we have.

As for god....... well if you want to believe in such things, I was damned a long time ago.

[Mrcoilover]

BUT....you can't say that you would have more of an effect on the world
than she did. It is not to late to ask for forgiveness from GOD. You do
believe in GOD, and Jesus as GOD's only son. If not, I would suggest you buy bags and bags of ice to keep things cool down there. holla

[GOD]

Well tonite on the Mtv video music award there gonna have a tribute for her I think it comes on at 9 tonite . Also her brother is gonna speak about her for the first time since she passed away . And for moppie he Shall be DAMNED ! :stormzap: !!! and as for mr coilover you will not be damned

[gang$tarr]

moppie i'm almost sure that she wasn't as popular in new zealand as she was here.... you probably didn't even hear of her till this year or last year, event though she's been very popular in the U.S. for like 4 years from what i can remember... maybe 5 years ago? I much music did a special tribute for her last night, she was really talented IMO
plus she donated large amounts of money to charities all over the world, i wanna see you try to do that

[Moppie]

Originally posted by gang$tarr
moppie i'm almost sure that she wasn't as popular in new zealand as she was here.... you probably didn't even hear of her till this year or last year, event though she's been very popular in the U.S.

Thats part of my point. Shes been known about down here, but never hyped up by the media.
You have to remember that the US is not the whole world.
In fact the Population of the US is pretty small compared to the Populations of China, or India, or Asia. Infact if a chunk of humanity the same size as the US population suddenly died the world would continue to exist with very little difficulty. (its happened before.)

Your all worshping someone because the media tells you too. Not because of what they achieved. The same thing will happen when someone like Tom Cruze dies. Whats he ever contributed to the world?
Hes not an especialy good actor, hes getting old, only about half my female friends thinks hes attractive (and none of my gay friends), and hes losing a large chunk of his fortune in his marriage break up. (I wont even mention the fact that hes australian. )
The only thing great about the man is that hes been hyped into "super stardom" by the media so that we will PAY to watch his movies and his TV specials. Thats all there is too it. He's just another normal person like the rest of us. If you were to meet him and sit down and have a coffee with him (with out knowing who he was) he would seem like just another normal guy from any where.

Aaliyha is exactly the same, some innocent girl, with the right conections in the industry who has been hyped up by the media so that record producers and executives can get rich of our own guliblity.
MTV will make a huge amount of money off the Aaliyha special, and are doing nothing more than exploiting her death, and the sense of loss felt by her family.
The more you get riled up about it, the more your surporting the hype and explotatoin and lossing touch with the real issues and problems in the world today.

[Psman32@af]

opps wrong button

[gang$tarr]

man moppie you're like paranoid... or a conspiracy theorist or somethin

the point is a nice girl that was only 22 years old, is dead, and we are paying our respects. She is somebody that we all "knew". If my cousin died I would pay respects just the same, just not on here because none of you would have known him.... but we all knew who aaliyah was and we're payin our respects.... aint nottin wrong wit that

it seems like you just have somethin against celebs cause you think they're all there because of connections not because of talent.... and aaliyah had talent, now that she died atleast don't take that from her... just leave her be

[Moppie]

Originally posted by gang$tarr
now that she died atleast don't take that from her... just leave her be

Now that would be a cool trick!!!!
And if I could take away her death i would. The opposite of death of course being life, something I hold above everything else.

What im getting at is that your paying her "respects" while thousands of other around the world die and get nothing. Infact people more famous than her die, but becuase thier life served no comercial purpose we only see a short spot the news and thier forgotton about.
Once any economic gain has been drained from here after life she will also be forgotton.
I think that is a sad thing, and its up to us the consumer public to do something about. Instead of taking our moral values from the marketers, try giving them some instead.

[gang$tarr]

you're not understanding what i'm sayin...

first of all the quote you put up was me talking about not taking away that she has talent, now that she's dead atleast don't take that away from her.

and what i'm sayin is that the other people that die, i don't know, but aaliyah it's like everybody somewhat "knew" her so we can pay our respects. If somebody else died that I knew and they weren't in show business, I'd still pay my respects just the same.

[Moppie]

Originally posted by gang$tarr

, but aaliyah it's like everybody somewhat "knew" her so we can pay our respects.

But you dont know her, and you never knew her. You might have known who she was, but I know who you are, that dosnt mean I know you.
I know that right know there is a little kid dieing in Africa from aids, but I dont know him. There is no diffrence between how you know Aaliyah and how I know the little kid in Africa.

[^YellowBandit^]

*sigh* I had a crush on Aaliyah for a while

[gang$tarr]

holy lord moppie, you never give up.....

i said SOMEWHAT "knew" her.... not that we actually knew her, but we knew alot about her, from watchin mtv/muchmusic interviews, reading articles about her, etc. we knew what she was like and everything, just not in person.... so we KINDA knew her

this kid in africa i don't even know what he looks like, i don't know what he likes to do, etc. i don't know anything about him..... if i knew what he looked like, and read or watched an interview with him, stuff like that so i'd kinda know him, just not personally... then i'd pay my respects to him too

[Moppie]

Originally posted by gang$tarr
this kid in africa i don't even know what he looks like, i don't know what he likes to do, etc. i don't know anything about him..... if i knew what he looked like, and read or watched an interview with him, stuff like that so i'd kinda know him, just not personally... then i'd pay my respects to him too

You see I have a problem with thinking one death is more important just because you knew of one person but not of the other. Just because you saw someone on TV and heard them on radio is not a justifiable reason to treat them as being special. I dont see any Valid reason that makes the life of a "pop" star any more valable than any other life.

and no I will never Give up. We are allowed to disagree, I think thats a good thing, but before we can do that we each need to understand what the other is saying.

[Porsche]

it because of the media, obviously, they aren't worth more, but they become a larger loss to more people who "knew" as Gan$tarr put it, if I died tomorrow maybe you guys would find out eventually but, If my death was annouced all over America, people would know. America is the center for most media (It isn't the Center of the world! Though) If somebody big in the US dies, the world will hear about it! Right now, a little off-topic, I am talking about the fact that we learn about all of this through the media, the bigger you are the more "Important" your death becomes.