Centrifugal Superchargers

[beef_bourito]

basically what i just said in fewer words

[9ball]

I don't agree about the Veyron. Yes, it's beautiful, but it does everything better than any Porsche. I didn't think much of the Bugatti as a true sports car because you just don't hear much about it, but it is an absolute beast. 0-60 is around 2.5 sec, and it handles as well as anything. Top Gear did a special about it and they were just blown away by it.

As far as the whole s/c vs. turbo arguement, I'd rather have a turbo if it's a factory turbocharged car. If you're starting with a NA car I'd go with a s/c simply for the ease of installation. I'd only convert NA to turbo if you're the type that loves a challenge and you're working on an extra vehicle that you don't need.

[longlivetheZ]

Eh...Carrera GT not comfortable?



It's not exactly sparse.



THAT'S sparse! F40s rule...

[beef_bourito]

i was comparing it to the bugatti. the veyron is just a fast luxury vehicle. it was desined wrong, the thing is very unareodynamic. they say the mclaren f1 (which was desined properly) would have only needed 800hp to reach the 250mph mark. also i've read the mclaren f1 could have reached over 260mph with the veyrons 1000hp. i'll say it again it's a luxury car, the interior is posh, complete with swede, comfortable seats, adjustable steering, and all kinds of other luxury items. it was desined, more than anything, for form over function. i don't care if you like it or not but it was poorly engineered, it achieves its goals inefficiently.

[longlivetheZ]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

i don't care if you like it or not but it was poorly engineered, it achieves its goals inefficiently.

Alright, alright...cool your jets, man. Their goal WAS inefficiency. They could have made it that fast much easier but they didn't want to cut any corners.

But...I would NEVER...IN A MILLION YEARS call a car with a W16, quad-turbo engine, all wheel drive system and trick auto trans "poorly engineered"...

[beef_bourito]

imnot vetning or anything, and im not saying the engine is poorly engineered, it's a work of art, getting 1000hp on pump gas is simply amazing. im saying the car as a whole was poorly engineered, they put more emphasis on looks than on engineering, they were more like architects, they design something to look good and then throw it at the engineers and tell them to make it work. i like efficiency, i like the look of function, all those parts working together to make a functional piece of machinery is beautiful to me. what i don't like is when someone tries to make something look pretty and then hand the hard stuff off to someone else to make it work.

[longlivetheZ]

The Veyron is not the perfect car in my eyes, either. Don't get me wrong. The $1,000,000+++ price tag hurts them a lot, imo. I honestly believe this particular car is worth every cent of it due to how much the car will be worth in time, but still...if your only goal is to make a car that fast, there are cheaper ways to do it than just buying a Veyron.

Ya know...I honestly don't thing the car as a whole it poorly engineered, either. I think they got away with what they knew they could while still obtaining their goals.

[beef_bourito]

ok, that just comes down to oppinion, but will you agree that the veyron is an example of form over function? they made the look, then made the car do what they wanted, look took priority over function.

[longlivetheZ]

I don't really think so. The performance of the car is so extreme and the car is so goofy looking that I don't think the "form over function" could apply to it. There are even some things integrated into the design of it that you can SEE that affect the performance of it which complete negate the "form over function" side of things. Personally, I would rate the Veyron "function over form". It is kinda debatable, though...despite the fact that I think the Veyron is kinda goofy lookin...lol.

This would make a kinda cool thread...just rating which cars are more on the "function" or the "form" side.

But again...in this price range, you get both...lol

Everyone's got their oppinions. There's mine.

[NewyorkKopter]

I'd agree with the Veyron being an example of form over function engineering
but you've got to give it to Bugatti for making a 1000hp car that drives like a GT car when you want , and then morphs into a car that goes like a Jet when you want. Like the Group C racers, they were nothing but form following function, and in my opinion they're the most attractive racers to date. Think about some of the cars you find really attractive, most of them will have form follwing function. Even Bugatti said that they designed the Veyron to look good. lol basically what beef bourito said

btw, would the Veyron be able to get around a track faster than say an Enzo or Zonda F?

[beef_bourito]

no, the bugatti would not be able to get around a track, other than an oval but they don't count, faster than an enzo or zonda f. it would be faster off the line and faster in the straights but it's just too big, it weighs something rediculous like 4000lbs. it also doesn't have much downforce at all, the enzo, zonda, saleen s7, all of the other supercars have been desined in a wind tunnel to have a balance of downforce and low aerodynamic drag. they also have tuned suspensions, stiffened chasis, they are performance oriented machines that are meant to go around corners quickly, the veyron was meant to fast in a straight line and do it comfortably.

And i do give them credit for the 1000hp, the engine is phenominal, i just don't like their mindset, even if i had the money to buy one, if i could afford that, all the other supercars, and everything else i wanted, i wouldn't buy one because i don't support what they did. i like engineering, i don't like it when you pretty something up and sacrifice efficiency.

The cars i find most attractive are the zonda, the f40, the saleen s7, the koenigsegg cc, and other supercars (i don't find the enzo attractive because 1) i don't really like the look and 2) it's too desired, every damn teenager wants an enzo, i prefer something like the zonda, a car that no one in my school has heard of.). i also like musclecars, classic sports cars, and a few others. the reason i find the old ones attractive is because they had personality, they weren't all about making themselves pretty. anyways, i have to go make breakfast, ill argue some more later.

[longlivetheZ]

Just out of curiosity, I'd like to know how you know how well/poorly the Veyron handles. I can't find any reliable lateral acceleration figures for it...just tons of info about how insanely fast it is.

[nissanfanatic]

Anyone else just not have the desire to own any of these cars..??

[beef_bourito]

i have no desire for the veyron, the other supercars however i do.

[beef_bourito]

and motor trend said nothing about its handling, just straight line acceleration and top speed.