99 turbo si vs. 00 supercharged svt cobra

[Pikachoo]

you're a bit shy of intelligent yourself

Correct answer: You're a bit shy of intelligence yourself.
or
You're a bit shy of being intelligent yourself.

It's called a linking verb....
Linking verb goooooooood......

First of all, when using anacronym's, you pronounce the lettering

Correct Spelling: acronym



How did we all get off on this tangent anyway???

[Blackbird01]

Hmmm. Lemme "correct" a few things here.
A 32v Cobra with a Blower, boltons and a SKILLED driver is easily an 11 second car. Self, a blower on a 32v motor adds a LOT more then "maybe 70rwhp"...A stock Cobra will put down roughly 250rwhp. Throw a Vortech S-Trim or any comparable blower into the mix and you've got a Cobra making around 400rwhp thats's a LOT more then 70rwhp...

Originally posted by S2Corolla
Okay buddy, let's get something straight, the SVT Cobra isn't some race god car, given to mankind as a gift.

Well, neither is a Civic Si, but the way you talk about it, you make it out to be.

The Civic Si is one of the best platforms to work with and it comes factory with the B16A, which is the 350 of 4 cylinder motors. The engine that the Cobra has is the slave of supercars.

Well, if you want to get TECHNICAL, the mod motor (Cobra Motor) is far from being the "slave" of supercars. In fact, the Cobra isn't even a SUPERCAR....but then again, neither is a Civic Si!

Hell, the Z06 makes a Cobra look like an idiot and the Z06 isn't even that high of a supercar.

What the hell is your definition of a "supercar"? A ZO6? Thats borderline if you ask me. When you say SUPERCAR, I'm thinking Viper ACR, Lamborghini, Porche 959...I dunno about you.

In stock form a Cobra would have trouble beating a Civic Si with stock internals on the Greddy turbo system.

Wait, a STOCK Cobra would have trouble beating a Civic Si with a what? A Greddy Turbo??? LMAO! And a Civic Si with a Greddy Turbo Kit would have trouble beating a Cobra with a turbo kit....You see, it's POINTLESS to even bring up this argument.

Don't diss on Honda buddy, more people have died behind the wheel of highpowered rear-wheel drive American cars, then in front wheel drive Japanese cars.

Speed kills buddy....what else can I tell ya? I thought the emphasis here was on how Civics can be FAST, not how SAFE they are???

If this guy is what they claim he is, then I'd be suprised if that Cobra was within FIFTEEN car lengths of that Si because with the right tuning, a street driven Civic Si with boost and no nitrous oxide can run low 11's, high 10's.

I agree to an extent. Of course a Civic with a turbo can run low 11's. It better have a built shortblock though.

[/b]A Cobra with a supercharger and bolt on's wouldn't even have wetdreams of hitting those times.[/b]

Wanna bet? And if you throw a built shortblock into the mix (just like a Civic would need) you could have a 9 sec. STREETLEGAL car.

Why don't you go drive your CLK to the local starbucks and race your "chaps" with their BMW 328 Ci's and such, the racing world is no place for a tennis playing, lawyer.

How about you drive YOUR Civic Si with whatever you've got under the hood to the DRAGSTRIP, and I'll bring MY car(s) with whatever I've got under the hood and we'll throw down for whatever amount of money you can come up with...?

Just to clearify to everyone, I am in NO WAY ripping on Civics, or any import for that matter. In fact, I recently helped a kid build a '93 Civic EX into a high 12 sec. N/A car. Jap Spec Civic Type R motor, Crower Head with 12:1 compression. AEM CAI, JetHot Coated 4-1 Header, Exhaust, built 5 speed manual trans with race clutch (I forgot which one he bought), carbon fiber hood with clear window (to see motor), yellow paint, body kit, etc etc etc...Another friend of mine also has a high 11 sec. '97 Supra TT. I have nothing against imports at all, but Mr. S2Corolla here thinks the Civic Si is GOD.

[mellowboy]

Hey thats what i thought blackbird. I know that the cobra is capable of running 11's with just a supercharger kit and bolt on's . Civic Si with a fully built is gonna have some trouble. Hey Blackbird have you heard of Team City Limit? They have a fully built turbo si running 12's supposedly. It is very hard to make an si run 11s or faster cause of its weight. I'm sure with that same set up that si have to be put in a crx will be much faster than the si

[S2Corolla]

Originally posted by Blackbird01

How about you drive YOUR Civic Si with whatever you've got under the hood to the DRAGSTRIP, and I'll bring MY car(s) with whatever I've got under the hood and we'll throw down for whatever amount of money you can come up with...?

but Mr. S2Corolla here thinks the Civic Si is GOD.

Okay time for ME to clarify a few things. First of all, I don't drive a Civic
Si what whatever you think I have or whatever you have. I drive a 2002 Corolla, not by choice... Before another flame war begins. Secondly, it's "S2Corolla", I mean if I wanted to be called "Mr. S2Corolla", I would have put that when I entered registration.

Oh and don't ask me to meet you at any dragstrip to race for money or any such comments. I was directing my statement to the owner of the CLK, who obviously came in here to flame the Civic Si with no grounds to back up his statement. Congratulations, BlackBird01, you have just been another addition to back up my belief that everyone on this damn forum HATES Toyota drivers and doesn't give them mutual respect.

And what I was saying was that with HEAVY tuning, which is what they claim this Civic has done, it WILL beat the Cobra by a lot, considering the Cobra had a supercharger with bolt on's. Oh and they never mentioned traction... I guess you forgot about how much traction rear wheel drive car's lose when you build them up.

Originally posted by BlackBird01

Wait, a STOCK Cobra would have trouble beating a Civic Si with a what? A Greddy Turbo??? LMAO! And a Civic Si with a Greddy Turbo Kit would have trouble beating a Cobra with a turbo kit....You see, it's POINTLESS to even bring up this argument

A Cobra with turbo? When the hell did I say "Cobra with turbo" If you notice the first THREE WORDS of that sentence, you'll see that I clearly said, "IN STOCK TRIM", meaning the Cobra with stock internals, stock engine bay, stock drivetrain, stock powertrain, stock airbox, stock valvetrain, STOCK EVERYTHING... Tsh... I KNOW that a basic Civic Si with a turbo kit will get massacred by a Cobra with turbo, even though I've never heard of a Cobra having turbo, I'm sure they're out there somewhere.

I never said I thought the Civic Si was GOD, I said it was a good platform to work with, and it's one of the best engine's to work with AMONGST FOUR CYLINDER ENGINES... Meaning sport compact car's, meaning car's that aren't supposed to go against SVT Cobra's.

Maybe my wording was mixed up when it comes to car's, the SVT Cobra is a sports car, that's more the word, the Z06 is a sports car too, but compared to other sports car's, they're nothing to sneeze at...

Originally posted by Blackbird01

Speed kills buddy....what else can I tell ya? I thought the emphasis here was on how Civics can be FAST, not how SAFE they are???

Again, taking things too far. First of all, it was TerminalVelocity who brought up this issue, not me. And did I ever once say "Civic's are safer than Cobra's" I don't have to say something everyone knows. What I was making an issue of was HANDLING... The example of people dying behind the wheel of rear wheel drive American car's was bring up the fact that people drive like maniac's behind the wheel of car's every day, but when shit hits the fan, more people behind the wheel of front wheel drive car's have came out of sticky situations okay than the countless Corvette's I've seen under semi's and such.

[S2Corolla]

Originally posted by Pikachoo

Correct answer: You're a bit shy of intelligence yourself.
or
You're a bit shy of being intelligent yourself.

Well if you want to get technical, it's correct the way it is. See, because "You're" is short for "You are"... So when you separate the composition, it becomes, "You are a bit shy of intelligent yourself..."
So when I put "are" before "intelligent" that was directing the adjective with an action.

Yeah I messed up on "acronym" I put "an" because I'm used to saying "use an acronym..." Excuse me for coming in and standing behind Honda. How's this for perfect English... K!SS my A$$... You never came in to help out lsvtecboi when the CLK owner dissed on his intelligence... You are another example that everyone on this board flames me WITHOUT reason... Dude, this board, IN MY OPINION, sucks... I'm glad purehonda.com is gone... Probably filled with a bunch of arrogant Honda drivers too.

[Self]

Originally posted by S2Corolla


Well if you want to get technical, it's correct the way it is. See, because "You're" is short for "You are"... So when you separate the composition, it becomes, "You are a bit shy of intelligent yourself..."
So when I put "are" before "intelligent" that was directing the adjective with an action.

Yeah I messed up on "acronym" I put "an" because I'm used to saying "use an acronym..." Excuse me for coming in and standing behind Honda. How's this for perfect English... K!SS my A$$... You never came in to help out lsvtecboi when the CLK owner dissed on his intelligence... You are another example that everyone on this board flames me WITHOUT reason... Dude, this board, IN MY OPINION, sucks... I'm glad purehonda.com is gone... Probably filled with a bunch of arrogant Honda drivers too.

Why waste your time and our bandwith posting here then, if you don't like the board?? Try http://www.superhonda.com I'm sure they'd love to have you over there

[S2Corolla]

You know, lol... that's not such a bad idea after all.
I never knew about that site until now.

[Blackbird01]

Yeah, you're right. I guess I'm just one of those guys that HATES Toyota owners. Nevermind the fact that a friend of mine owns a high 11 second Supra TT.

I guess you didn't get what I was trying to imply with the "Cobra with a Turbo"...You said a Civic Si with a Turbo will beat a Cobra. Well damn, I HOPE SO. BUT if you do the same thing with a COBRA, then it is the Civic that's gettin roasted. But tell me again what your whole point is to the "Civic with a Turbo will beat a stock Cobra" ????

And I can name a 4 cylinder engine that is a lot better "building block" for a fast car then the B16 or whatever comes in the Civic....and I'm not even an "Import Guy"!

[Blackbird01]

Oh yeah, and if you want to get TECHNICAL...
You tried to tell me a RWD car will have more traction issues...
A high hp FWD car will have more traction issues then a high hp RWD car. Simple weight transfer.

[1320B4U]

In the world of 4's, I personally think the 4G63T is better to build than a B16.
Peace

[Self]

Originally posted by Blackbird01
Oh yeah, and if you want to get TECHNICAL...
You tried to tell me a RWD car will have more traction issues...
A high hp FWD car will have more traction issues then a high hp RWD car. Simple weight transfer.

About to point that out myself, actually. RWD drag cars have a lot better traction than fwd drag cars...Weight transfer can be a killer.

[S2Corolla]

Originally posted by 1320B4U
In the world of 4's, I personally think the 4G63T is better to build than a B16.
Peace

3SGTE from the MR2 turbo... With bolton's you can get 350 whp out of that engine. With upgraded turbo, bolt ons and upgraded internals you can easily get 720 hp out of the engine.

That's not what I was trying to point out, I was pointing out that B16's have a much wider variety of parts available to them and they are used frequently and offer really high response to modifications of any sort, whether it be turbo, supercharger or fully built motor at high compression.

HEY SELF, TRY READING THIS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH, THE GUY WITH THE CLK WAS THE ONE CONTESTING AN SI BEATING A COBRA UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, SUPERCHARGED OR NOT, I WAS SAYING THAT A CIVIC SI WITH A GREDDY TURBO KIT ON STOCK INTERNALS WOULD BEAT A STOCK OR SLIGHTLY MODIFIED SVT COBRA ANY DAY OF THE WEAK TO HIM, NOT TO YOU, I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. DON'T TRY TO FLAME ME, I'M NOT THE ONE SAYING THAT COBRA IS GOD AND CIVIC SI'S ARE JUNK CAR'S, BUT I MIGHT AS WELL BECAUSE I DON'T GET CREDIT FOR HELPING ANY OF YOU SHIT HEADS.

[Self]

Originally posted by S2Corolla


HEY SELF, TRY READING THIS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH, THE GUY WITH THE CLK WAS THE ONE CONTESTING AN SI BEATING A COBRA UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, SUPERCHARGED OR NOT, I WAS SAYING THAT A CIVIC SI WITH A GREDDY TURBO KIT ON STOCK INTERNALS WOULD BEAT A STOCK OR SLIGHTLY MODIFIED SVT COBRA ANY DAY OF THE WEAK TO HIM, NOT TO YOU, I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. DON'T TRY TO FLAME ME, I'M NOT THE ONE SAYING THAT COBRA IS GOD AND CIVIC SI'S ARE JUNK CAR'S, BUT I MIGHT AS WELL BECAUSE I DON'T GET CREDIT FOR HELPING ANY OF YOU SHIT HEADS.

What? Could you possibly post a quote of me saying the things you're talking about? Because as of now, I'm completely LOST...Thanks. And don't forget... http://www.superhonda.com

[StageOneGalant]

DUDE:
I strongly doubt that u're turbo Si can beat a Supercharged SVT. i can't beat an SuperCharged SVT.. and i got a really nice turbo set-up on my car.. How much PSI are u r pushing??

[Self]

Originally posted by StageOneGalant
DUDE:
I strongly doubt that u're turbo Si can beat a Supercharged SVT. i can't beat an SuperCharged SVT.. and i got a really nice turbo set-up on my car.. How much PSI are u r pushing??

Please READ before you post. The guy with the Civic SI who smoked the SVT doesn't post on here. We were just there and SAW the race. He smoked him by about 5. He's pushing 20 pounds.