Pagani Zonda C12-s vs. Saleen S7 vs. Mclaren F1 LM vs. Lamborghini Diablo SE30 Jota

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Lizard King
Like I said, its all in the mind.

I'm not sure but I think the 427 used in the S7 isn't just a straight crate motor implant. They did there own work to it.

I'm sure someone has built a 427 powered car that can beat a McLaren on the track. It got pretty poor road holding marks on the skid pan. Yes, I know theres more to a car than numbers.

The Ford GT40 could beat anything in its day.

well, its day has passed. and the mclaren lm will make S7 look like a chump on a road course..plain and simple. I don't care if the engine "could" have this much HP, or the chassis "could" be take this much stress. The proof is in the numbers and no road going car on the planet is faster all around the the McLaren F1 Lm. And i'm sure saleen did work on the engine..that is not what i meant...the engine in mclaren was designed from the ground up to work with the dynamics of the Mclaren. The 427 in the S7 wasn't. A good road car is a balance of power and engineering....you cannot just add more HP and expect it to be faster. or just give it concrete suspension...it maybe faster in so regards, but overall will be inferior.

I wish someone would get an LM and S7 on nurburgring (sp?)....this would put to rest all this speculation!!

skid pad?? jeez, so it wouldn't be a good auto-x er!!

[Racer 20]

Originally posted by Z06Lover


the engine in mclaren was designed from the ground up to work with the dynamics of the Mclaren. The 427 in the S7 wasn't. A good road car is a balance of power and engineering

You got it right. You can't just take a trip to BMW and ask to purchuse the M S70/2 engine specifically designed for McLaren Car's F1 line. It was, like ZO6Lover (who isn't a ZO6 lover lol) said, "designed from the ground up to work with the dynamics of the Mclaren." You can get a 427 though.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Racer 20


You got it right. You can't just take a trip to BMW and ask to purchuse the M S70/2 engine specifically designed for McLaren Car's F1 line. It was, like ZO6Lover (who isn't a ZO6 lover lol) said, "designed from the ground up to work with the dynamics of the Mclaren." You can get a 427 though.

hey..i love the Z06....but, decided for now it wasn't the car for me...i appreciate the bang for the buckness of it!! (did i just say....bang for the buckness?????)

[Racer 20]

I can understand if it was a money issue but an S2000??!!! lol Over a ZO6??? You got to be kidding! lol j/k The S2000 is a fun little car.

[Adam]

what! no Zonda fans!! ahh!

where are ya all? RALLY TO ME!!!

[MBTN]

I'll be different: I like the Diablo. Diablos look cool, and BY FAR have the coolest name.

[Chris]

Most people love Zonda's or they don't know about them. But in this company, they just aren't as good as a LM. But then again, nothing is

[DVSNCYNIKL]

Interesting comparo!!

1996 Lamborghini Diablo SE30 Jota
Engine: V-12 HorsePower: 595.0 bhp @ 7300 rpm
Torque: 347.4 ft-lbs @ 4800 rpm
0-60(sec): 3.7 Top Speed: 211.3

1996 McLaren F1 LM
Engine: V-12 HorsePower: 668 BHP @ 7800 RPM
Torque: 520 FT-LB @ 4500 RPM
0-60(sec): 2.9 Top Speed: 225

1999 Pagani Zonda C12-S
Engine: V-12 HorsePower: 500 BHP @ 5500 RPM
Torque: 531 FT-LBS @ 3900 RP
0-60(sec): 4.0 Top Speed: 200

2001 Saleen S7
Engine: V-8 HorsePower: 550@6400RPM
Torque: 525@4000RPM
0-60(sec): 3.8 Top Speed: 322 km/h

Info from Concept Carz.

[Lizard King]

Originally posted by Z06Lover


well, its day has passed. and the mclaren lm will make S7 look like a chump on a road course..plain and simple. I don't care if the engine "could" have this much HP, or the chassis "could" be take this much stress. The proof is in the numbers and no road going car on the planet is faster all around the the McLaren F1 Lm. And i'm sure saleen did work on the engine..that is not what i meant...the engine in mclaren was designed from the ground up to work with the dynamics of the Mclaren. The 427 in the S7 wasn't. A good road car is a balance of power and engineering....you cannot just add more HP and expect it to be faster. or just give it concrete suspension...it maybe faster in so regards, but overall will be inferior.

I wish someone would get an LM and S7 on nurburgring (sp?)....this would put to rest all this speculation!!

skid pad?? jeez, so it wouldn't be a good auto-x er!!

The McLarens day has passed. I proved my point though.

A car isn't necessarily inferior, just because its engine (or any other part) wasn't made exclusively for the car. It might not be a million dollar supercar but it might be able to beat one.
That isn't my point though. My point is that the 427 Ford isn't shit or lowly.

Oh, and there are plenty of road going cars that will beat a McLaren.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Lizard King


The McLarens day has passed. I proved my point though.

A car isn't necessarily inferior, just because its engine (or any other part) wasn't made exclusively for the car. It might not be a million dollar supercar but it might be able to beat one.
That isn't my point though. My point is that the 427 Ford isn't shit or lowly.

Oh, and there are plenty of road going cars that will beat a McLaren.

hahaah...how can the mclaren LM's day have passed if no factory car made can beat it on a road course? Nothing from Porsche, ferrari, anything from japan or america!! and don't give me some crap about a modified viper..blah blah..i'm talking about factory cars..the mc laren f1 even in stock form, not the lm, is faster on a road course then any factory car available.

beat in what?? what do you mean by beat? straight line? pull more g's? sure...so what ... i would like to find a road going car, from a factory..of any kind, that can beat a mclaren lm around nurburgring?? name one!! just one!! and the S7 would not even get close...the lm weighs 2300lbs with over 650 HP.

there is nothing wrong with the 427, but if i had the money...no way would i pick that over the bmw engine in the mclaren...it isn't even an option. I would love the 427 in the S7 in a car, because i could probably afford it, but if money is no option..give me the v12 m power engine anyday. I think a single drive in an LM would change your mind. I have a video of a guy driving the McLaren at speed....if you want i can give it to you...it isn't even an LM..it's a big download though.

[Chris]

give us the video!! I have the sound track from it, and it is like 2 and half minutes or something. I would love to see it though!!

[enzo@af]

McLaren = Diablo + 100something hp - a lot of weight.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Chris
give us the video!! I have the sound track from it, and it is like 2 and half minutes or something. I would love to see it though!!

i got it on my computer at home...i will try to set up an ftp site or something this weekend...and will post the link it is awesome. i got a couple..one is a 230+ mph run, supra tt vs mclaren f1 (don't know if i still have that one...pathetic...it is those dorks from that japanese "drifter" magazine...short shifting a mclaren...should be illegal!! ), and then the best one showing tiff driving it (the english guy from best motoring!!

[Chris]

Seen the supra one. And short-shifting, I've never heard that before. What is it exactly.

[Lizard King]

Oh you changed it from any street car to production car huh?

The S7 would be pretty close on the track ya know. It has better cornering and about equal in the quarter mile.