Aerodynamic improve ments

[84fiero123]

Hey man out of all the posts you have yet to say anything informative.....why did you even post here.....to talk $h!t?

so i guess the phone number was of no help or you didn't call? that wasn't trying to help!

So what does it matter if you/ve been driving or working on cars longer than I've been alive. That only means your old.

ya i said the same thing when i was your age, and yes i am old, i have alo made all the same mistakes and probably many more than you have but the difference is i have learned from my mistakes.

I usually drive 100+mph on the highway. Who said I never get caught.....stop assuming.....you know what they say. I've been caught many times, but I really don't care, that's what make it fun.

good keep driving those speeds on the highway, and when you crash into someone else with 2 kids in the car and kill someone and spend ome time in jail talk to me about you just don't care. if you want to drive that fast go to the track!
dont get me wrong i said i have done it but i did it 30 years ago and late at night when there where very few people on the road. and a lot less cars where on the roads back then. and even the cops where cooler back then, one time i actually didn't get a ticket, the cop pulled me over and asked what the hell was under the hood?
but lets think about this; lets say your mother is on the road, and you fly past her at 100+ mph and scare her and the drivers around her. they in turn get in a wreck. how about now, still don't care.

Hey man out of all the posts you have yet to say anything informative.....why did you even post here.....to talk $h!t? I'm done with this bickering BS, if you're so old act it then.

so i guess the phone numbers were of no help? why not call and ask if they did any tests on the fiero?
but you still keep comeing back.

Oh yeah forgot I'm so dumb because I don't want the whole world to see my personal info. Since your intent on having all your info on here just post your credit card #s and scan your license.

i gave enuf info for people to think about what i say as comeing from someone with some knowledge no some one just posting to run up there post numbers.

still in school must be an enginering student?

[goatnipples2002]

Seems like the attitude is going away?
That phone number is cool but as far as this thread is concered I don't feel you have really contributed with your experience. Since you have so much of it share it with us. We come on here to learn and share. I undersatnd the experience factor and the wisdom that comes with age, but not everybody who's older knows everything. Same goes for younger people. I usually test my car and drive 100+mph on sundays at like 2-3am. That way most people are sleep getting ready for the next day. No cops out then either.

I wish I was going to school for engineering, but my major is psychology with a minor in communications. I study enough abour physics and aerodynamics to have a second major in it.

So really what would you do to improve the fiero for 150+mph?

I am about to call right now.

[84fiero123]

loose the rear wing in just creates down force on the ass end where you don't need it if the front end is picking up. the wing was never ment to work it was put on to make it look good. think back to the 60's and 70's how many cars built back then had wings? other than the super bee. my firebird never had a wing, corvettes never had a wing, gto's never had a wing, and all of these went well over 140+ mph and handled as well as any of these so called newer cars and they weight twice as much.
put a hole in the hood the width of the radiater to alow air flow, build your own scoop. fiberglass is cheep and easy to work with.
pull the spare tire out and put 100 lbs of weight in the well.
now you have less down force on the ass end where you never needed it.
more air flow threw the radiater and hood , to get less lift.
and more weight in the front end wear you need it. you already have enuf in the rear.
my 67 firebird weighed about the same as these fieros and it handle just great at 150, 30 years ago.

[84fiero123]

and by the way i have built things all of my life, cars, houses, sewer treatment plant, oil rigs, skyscrapers, and one of the people i really can't stand are enginers. "It works on paper." or "It looked good on paper."
but when it comes to the real world they haven't got a clue, they never touched a wrench, hammer, welder. never worked in the real world which where we build and use these things. so now i see where your attitude comes from. why dont you stop wasteing your parent money a get a job in the real world. or are you afraid to get your hands dirty, or is it beneath you. any engeneer i have ever worked with who was worth a dam spent at least three years in the work force seeing how thing really work. but those who just went to school and then pushed a pencil, or now days a mouse dont have a clue.
and shinks now there is a good buch of useless people. i have never met a shrink who didn't need one more than anyone else i have ever met.
so now i have given you some ideas for your car and yourself.

[goatnipples2002]

No not a psychiatrist a psychology.....only difference is I can't write prescriptions. I want to work with troubled kids so they don't have to go through the same shit I went through.

Man you assume alot. My parents don't pay for my college, I do.

I've had jobs in the REAL world. I would rather get payed to talk then break my back. I work on my own car I do all the work myself.

Your wrong about the downforce in the back. You do want that because your ass end could break loose and at high speeds that's not good. You need downforce and reduced lift on both the front and rear. I will be adding a chin spoiler and an elevated wing. I already have an extractor scoop up front. Then I will drop it about 1.5 inches. After that probably some 16s in the front and 17s in the back.

Talked to somebody at the number. That number was some guy that didn't know shit so he transfered me to the main desk. Then I got transfered 3 times then finally talked to a guy for about 20 minutes. He told me that there probably wasn't any info because it has been so long. but If there was he would call, but he probably won't.

He told me to watch the downforce distribution because too much in the front and the back wheels break loose and too much in the back and there will be lift up front. So if you do something up front do it to the back and vice versa.

[84fiero123]

again you can't read my 67 firebird weighed in around 3500 lbs. a woping 700 lbs more than the fiero, wow no areodynamics what so ever, no wing or spoilers.
weight is not alway your enemy. 1/4 mile times yes.
high speed runs on the open road weight can have its advantages.all those cars from the 60's weighed in over 3000 lbs and they all handled well over 100 mph.
ok so you didn't get much info from the wind tunnel you oviously love to surf the idiot net find the wind tunnel tests for the car.
goodluck.

[fierangero]

IIRC the GTO "the judge" had a wing...yes cosmetic

and its 1970 Plymouth superBIRD, as well as the 1969 Dodge Daytona Charger, built to go 200mph, NOT cosmetic

yeah im nitpicking, but all you need to deflate a large balloon is a needle

[84fiero123]

but the dodges where made for raceing and going well over 160 mph.



POP

[84fiero123]

Goatnipples. "I've had jobs in the REAL world. I would rather get payed to talk then break my back. I work on my own car I do all the work myself."

typical , sorry dude i like working with my hands i love being able to tell my kids, hey thats dadys car, i helped build that, or i helped build that building or skyscraper, i find great joy in the fact that i can build and fix things that help people in the real world. you say you came here to help people and learn so far lately all i have seen you post is on this post, and then those were just bitching at me. when was the last time you helped someone here by ans. a question? look at my past posts i have ans. many peoples questions, with good ans. what have you done to help someone else?

[goatnipples2002]

On this forum there are more people asking Qs then people posting answers. And most of the Qs aren't in depth or as technical as Pennock's. I recently started posting in PFF but I have been studying the PFF since early last year. I feel that PFF is a better forum, but I still post here from time to time.

I really don't care about building anything except my car. You would rather brag about what you helped build I would rather take part in making a better environment for our children to grow up in. Everybody has their own personal goals in life just because I am not you doesn't mean I am less of a hard worker. I get my hands dirty on my car.

I really don't care what you think of me or my posts I don't have a damn thing to prove to you. How have you helped this thread? As stated before you only came on here to hijack the thread and talk shit. Grow up.....post all you want talking to you is a waste of time.

[84fiero123]

just one last thing before i forget.
the wing on the fiero is just for looks, it doesnt need down force on the ass end, the engine is there, the wings on the 60's cars had the engine in the front and needed down force in the back the fiero doesn't.the weight of the engine is enuf to hold the ass end down. just as the weight of the engine was enuf on the 60's cars was enuf to hold the front ends down.
if you are concerned about front end lift the holes in the hood should be more than enuf to keep the front end down, buy eliminating the upforce created by the airflow threw the radiater. areodynamics of the wing are not an issue.
with the fieros wedge shape it has almost as good a wind slip as the vette.
and just for goatnips info i have been on pennocks for info and help for longer so kid nuthin against you or your age but grow up and get a life.

[goatnipples2002]

Originally Posted by 84fiero123

just one last thing before i forget.
the wing on the fiero is just for looks, it doesnt need down force on the ass end, the engine is there, the wings on the 60's cars had the engine in the front and needed down force in the back the fiero doesn't.the weight of the engine is enuf to hold the ass end down. just as the weight of the engine was enuf on the 60's cars was enuf to hold the front ends down.
if you are concerned about front end lift the holes in the hood should be more than enuf to keep the front end down, buy eliminating the upforce created by the airflow threw the radiater. areodynamics of the wing are not an issue.
with the fieros wedge shape it has almost as good a wind slip as the vette.
and just for goatnips info i have been on pennocks for info and help for longer so kid nuthin against you or your age but grow up and get a life.

Okay whatever let's keep this thread about info not your bickering.

[84fiero123]

"Okay whatever let's keep this thread about info not your bickering."

try to set your childishness asside and read what i write.the wing was for looks you have the engine in the back for weight to hold the assend down.
and if you want some info try this place

http://www.northfloridafieros.homest...ieroFacts.html

[goatnipples2002]

Very insightful article.

And what old cars NEED is to be dropped.

[84fiero123]

Originally Posted by goatnipples2002

Very insightful article.

And what old cars NEED is to be dropped.

explane old cars need to be droped?