2007 5th Generation Camaro

[Link85x]

Originally Posted by 97CamaroRS

Base model BETTER have a sixer cuz the mustang sixers finally are where we were....

ROFLOL, that pretty sad, but ford still has those motherf****** stang being produce in the plants, bastards...

[89IROC&RS]

hey hey now whats wrong with the goat????

[89IROC&RS]

and heres an interesting read for yall, keep in mind this is just one guys view on things, with no real evidence to back it up, but it does make alot of sense.

GIDDY-UP!

Will Chevy’s Pony Car Ride on an Architecture Based off the Torana Concept?

The World Series may be over, but here at C&G we love to throw a good curveball every now and then. Not that we enjoy baffling our readers, but it never hurts to know everything that could come your way. After all, any hitter who steps up to the plate expecting fastball after fastball is going to find himself back in the dugout pretty quickly. For the C&G faithful, this article is the journalistic equivalent of the nastiest 12-to-6 curveball ever thrown by Randy Johnson.

Yes, we’ve gone on record as saying that when (no longer "if") the Camaro returns, it will be on the RWD Zeta platform, and we will stand by that until the Camaro debuts on something other than Zeta. My intent here is not to inform you of any new information about the Camaro, but to present an honest, unbiased, well-thought-out look at the feasibility of a Camaro based on the architecture underpinning the Holden Torana TT36 concept unveiled two months ago.



As reported by our trusted insiders, the Torana rides on an architecture that is structurally similar to the Kappa architecture used in the forthcoming Pontiac Solstice roadster, though it would be inaccurate to call it "Kappa-based". Suspension design is taken from Kappa, while the differential is taken from the Cadillac CTS. Also, the Torana architecture uses a lower-dominant tube body structure to allow flexibility in the body structure, From a packaging sense, that means that the interior of any car based off this platform will likely be in a 2+2 configuration. Also of note, the Torana concept is similar in size to the CTS as well as the Infiniti G35 and Lexus GS, with a wheelbase in between that of the Monaro/GTO and the CTS.

Putting all of this together, we have a lower-mid-size RWD 2+2 architecture with a sports car suspension. Sound like a good starting point for a Camaro? Sure does. Would this platform make a better Camaro than Zeta would? Possibly. Since this is a mid-sized architecture (not compact, like Kappa), the differences in dimensions between a Zeta (also mid-sized) Camaro and a Torana-based Camaro would likely be a wash. However, Zeta has been said to require a rather tall firewall, perhaps forcing a Camaro based off it to have a taller, more upright design. In contrast, the Torana architecture could yield a more low-slung, sleek Camaro. With minor differences in overhang length (from the Torana concept) due to production requirements, a Torana-based Camaro would feature a dramatic, aggressive stance with taut proportions – the exact qualities that made the original Camaro such a great design.

However, for the Torana architecture to truly be considered an adequate basis for a new Camaro, it must have the capability to fit a V8. Based on the fact that the Torana is powered by an engine with 375hp and 354lb/ft. of torque, it’s obvious that the architecture could handle the amounts of horsepower and torque that the Camaro is known for. As of right now it is unknown whether or not a V8 actually will fit, but we’ll go on the record as saying "Why not?" From this picture of the Torana’s engine bay, it does appear that an engine as wide as GM’s small-block should fit in there without a problem, since the wider HFV6 appears to fit with room to spare on the sides. It is hard to tell whether or not the engine bay is long enough to accept something four cylinders long, but by judging by the space available in that picture it shouldn’t be too much of a problem. At the most, the engine would need a modified accessory drive system and/or a low-profile cooling fan setup to fit.



Another factor in determining the Torana architecture’s feasibility for use in a Camaro is cost. The Camaro has always held true to the original pony car concept of providing affordable performance: anyone who can save up enough money over the summer could buy a Camaro in the fall. Although we have no idea of the expected price bracket for any Torana-based vehicle, we can tell you this: the Wilmington, DE plant, currently earmarked for production of the Kappa roadsters, would be operating vastly under-capacity once these vehicles are brought online. Since the Torana architecture and Kappa are structurally similar, it is not unreasonable to think that Wilmington could undergo a mild retooling for producing this architecture. Taking this one step further, if the Torana architecture is produced alongside another architecture that is intended to spawn vehicles costing in from just under $20,000 to around $25,000, it does make sense that Torana-based vehicles can be in a similar price range. That’s Camaro territory, folks.

So there you have it: everything you ever wanted to know about the possibility of a Torana-based Camaro. Again, we’re not trying to pass this off as inside information. We’re just trying to present the notion that a Torana-based Camaro might not be too farfetched an idea. Not only is the idea feasible, but theoretically it isn’t all that much different from how a Zeta based Camaro might turn out.

The commentary written above is by C&G Moderator z28luvr_01

Joshs Note: Chime in with your thoughts. We want to hear from everybody! What would you say to a Torana based Chevrolet Camaro, or even a Chevy based Pony car?

[Link85x]

I say yeah. I mean from the way they explained it, the torana platform could surely work for the maro, aslong as they can get that 8 in they're. I don't think it a bad idea at all, it actually looks to be that ray of hope that we maro owners need. I will start saving every last penny so when that mofo comes out, i'm first inline. I'll keep my fingers crossed. 89, not to sound like an idoit, but what did you mean by goat?

[89IROC&RS]

lol, what is it with yall and calling yourselves idiots, drives me nuts.

but anyway, the GTO is affectionaly known as a goat. its a nickname. so i was saying whats so wrong with the new GTO. I think its bad ass.

[Link85x]

Originally Posted by 89IROC&RS

lol, what is it with yall and calling yourselves idiots, drives me nuts.

but anyway, the GTO is affectionaly known as a goat. its a nickname. so i was saying whats so wrong with the new GTO. I think its bad ass.

I know, that thing is a beast!! It's just that it looks so similar to the Grand Am, which was kinda a turnoff. I was reading the issue of motor trend which had cartoon pics of the possibly new GTO look and i can say that it looks a lot better, and that Torana is gorgueos!

[Savage Messiah]

It looks like a grand prix maybe... and look at the GTO's history, it never was a flashy new car...

[LT1MAN]

Originally Posted by 89IROC&RS

and heres an interesting read for yall, keep in mind this is just one guys view on things, with no real evidence to back it up, but it does make alot of sense.

GIDDY-UP!

Will Chevy’s Pony Car Ride on an Architecture Based off the Torana Concept?

The World Series may be over, but here at C&G we love to throw a good curveball every now and then. Not that we enjoy baffling our readers, but it never hurts to know everything that could come your way. After all, any hitter who steps up to the plate expecting fastball after fastball is going to find himself back in the dugout pretty quickly. For the C&G faithful, this article is the journalistic equivalent of the nastiest 12-to-6 curveball ever thrown by Randy Johnson.

Yes, we’ve gone on record as saying that when (no longer "if") the Camaro returns, it will be on the RWD Zeta platform, and we will stand by that until the Camaro debuts on something other than Zeta. My intent here is not to inform you of any new information about the Camaro, but to present an honest, unbiased, well-thought-out look at the feasibility of a Camaro based on the architecture underpinning the Holden Torana TT36 concept unveiled two months ago.



As reported by our trusted insiders, the Torana rides on an architecture that is structurally similar to the Kappa architecture used in the forthcoming Pontiac Solstice roadster, though it would be inaccurate to call it "Kappa-based". Suspension design is taken from Kappa, while the differential is taken from the Cadillac CTS. Also, the Torana architecture uses a lower-dominant tube body structure to allow flexibility in the body structure, From a packaging sense, that means that the interior of any car based off this platform will likely be in a 2+2 configuration. Also of note, the Torana concept is similar in size to the CTS as well as the Infiniti G35 and Lexus GS, with a wheelbase in between that of the Monaro/GTO and the CTS.

Putting all of this together, we have a lower-mid-size RWD 2+2 architecture with a sports car suspension. Sound like a good starting point for a Camaro? Sure does. Would this platform make a better Camaro than Zeta would? Possibly. Since this is a mid-sized architecture (not compact, like Kappa), the differences in dimensions between a Zeta (also mid-sized) Camaro and a Torana-based Camaro would likely be a wash. However, Zeta has been said to require a rather tall firewall, perhaps forcing a Camaro based off it to have a taller, more upright design. In contrast, the Torana architecture could yield a more low-slung, sleek Camaro. With minor differences in overhang length (from the Torana concept) due to production requirements, a Torana-based Camaro would feature a dramatic, aggressive stance with taut proportions – the exact qualities that made the original Camaro such a great design.

However, for the Torana architecture to truly be considered an adequate basis for a new Camaro, it must have the capability to fit a V8. Based on the fact that the Torana is powered by an engine with 375hp and 354lb/ft. of torque, it’s obvious that the architecture could handle the amounts of horsepower and torque that the Camaro is known for. As of right now it is unknown whether or not a V8 actually will fit, but we’ll go on the record as saying "Why not?" From this picture of the Torana’s engine bay, it does appear that an engine as wide as GM’s small-block should fit in there without a problem, since the wider HFV6 appears to fit with room to spare on the sides. It is hard to tell whether or not the engine bay is long enough to accept something four cylinders long, but by judging by the space available in that picture it shouldn’t be too much of a problem. At the most, the engine would need a modified accessory drive system and/or a low-profile cooling fan setup to fit.



Another factor in determining the Torana architecture’s feasibility for use in a Camaro is cost. The Camaro has always held true to the original pony car concept of providing affordable performance: anyone who can save up enough money over the summer could buy a Camaro in the fall. Although we have no idea of the expected price bracket for any Torana-based vehicle, we can tell you this: the Wilmington, DE plant, currently earmarked for production of the Kappa roadsters, would be operating vastly under-capacity once these vehicles are brought online. Since the Torana architecture and Kappa are structurally similar, it is not unreasonable to think that Wilmington could undergo a mild retooling for producing this architecture. Taking this one step further, if the Torana architecture is produced alongside another architecture that is intended to spawn vehicles costing in from just under $20,000 to around $25,000, it does make sense that Torana-based vehicles can be in a similar price range. That’s Camaro territory, folks.

So there you have it: everything you ever wanted to know about the possibility of a Torana-based Camaro. Again, we’re not trying to pass this off as inside information. We’re just trying to present the notion that a Torana-based Camaro might not be too farfetched an idea. Not only is the idea feasible, but theoretically it isn’t all that much different from how a Zeta based Camaro might turn out.

The commentary written above is by C&G Moderator z28luvr_01

Joshs Note: Chime in with your thoughts. We want to hear from everybody! What would you say to a Torana based Chevrolet Camaro, or even a Chevy based Pony car?

DAMN THAT POST WAS SO LONG I JUST HAD TO QUOTE IT, that is entirely too long to read

[lickem]

Originally Posted by LT1MAN

DAMN THAT POST WAS SO LONG I JUST HAD TO QUOTE IT, that is entirely too long to read

Lazy bastard, shows how dedicated you are


on a Side note the Zeta platform has been canceled

[mrwilde]

I still think there is enough interest in this car for GM to at least bring it back soon. No one is saying its going to look like Kris Horton's rendition, but im sure it will have a vintage feel to it.

[Link85x]

I gotta feeling it will come back and that GM won't mess the look either. Don't know when it will be here, but it will be, i can feel it.