94 McLaren for sale - Page 3

punk_911 · #31 05-16-2002, 11:22 PM

I haven't been back to this forums for a while and wow so much information already. The reason I sign up in dah first place was cos of McLaren Forums hehehehe so

Yep if money was not a problem McLaren is a must ( if I was Bill Gates hahah )

McLaren > ALL TIME FAV cars, Lambo > second heheheh !

Meric · #32 07-31-2002, 02:59 PM

It soulds like it is torture just to get the McLarens in the states, not to mention the newer ones! How on earth am I suppose to get my McLaren F1 LM in the states? No, don't really own one, wish I did though, huh....maybe in a year or two. Think, I'll be 18 driving a McLaren F1 LM! Burst my bubble and I'll burst yours, lol.

So is it possible to get an LM in states and actually drive it. So if you had enough money, why can't the McLaren factory just make one for you, they do release a few now and then. About the essays, talk about teaching me a lot of things. Thanks you guys, I really appreciate the time you spent. But, why are there so many restrictions, I mean I know about the speed, but what is up with that, I think it is your car, you should be able to drive it if you are being legal!

Ok, ok, I understand all about the big expensive, fast car going to get people killed, but why can't you go up to a window, say, 'I'm responsible with the fastest care known to man (not literally), and I want my lisense to register it. Ok, life is not that simple, but I sure wish it could be.

I am hearing a lot of I wants when it comes to the McLarens, but why is it so impossible to get your hands on one? I mean, I think it is rather stupid that they closed the factory just to raise the value. And about this sulten (or how ever you spell it) guy, WHO IS HE? Is this kind of like the movie Three Kings and all those cars?

You know what, being my first post I feel I have relieved myself of my stresses, or is that the coffee starting to calm down a bit. I have had no sleep for a day and am so edgy I feel like I can hear everything. I whant to know what it is like to even sit in one of these goddesses! Huh, some day very very soon.

One of my last question, what kind of security systems would you use for a car like this. I mean, someone can't just walk up, get in it, start it and go with out you being able to find it, or keeping that from happening all together. I thought there was an extremely expensive device that was pressure sensitive around certain areas, or maybe not.

Noooo! My McLaren F1 sliped out of my hands. Been talking to a dealer from quite some time now. Works for Motorcars International and they had a McLaren F1 chassis number 072 which was built in May/1998 and was one of the last cars built! Purchased the car near Essen, Germeny, now with new owner in San Francisco for 1.5 Million USD!

Also Last year he, as in Steve Will, delivered another car (titanium metallic grey/chassis #045) to an investment banker that also resides in the bay area. Oh how I let my beauty go so fast, but he is going to post me as soon as a R-E-A-L car becomes availible! Guess that was my dream gone for a while.

XOTech · #33 07-31-2002, 11:50 PM

Meric,

You have been doing your homework. I respect that. If indeed you are serious about a McLaren and have the funds to follow through, there is no question that a car can be purchased. As far as a McLaren LM in the states. There is quite a level of complication with the LM and the US regulations. As you have possibly gathered from my previous posts here on the McLaren Forum, the McLaren qualifies for the Show & Display Law. There are still heavy restrictions for such cars, but at least they are allowed in the country. As far as all the regulations and restrictions, well, it can simply be boiled down to one thing, Money. The DOT/EPA want every penny they can get and the charges the levy are not pennys. It it expensive because they can get away with it as a luxury. The people that really want the car will pay.

As you have read, the 94-95 McLaren is no problem to convert (about $150,000-200,000 to convert). The 96-98 cars are quite a bit more complicated. I think I described that in detail somewhere in this forum. The cost is easily another $100,000. The point is that it can be done. The GTRs cannot come into this country under Show & Display. They can come here under alternative means, such as a Museum Visa or a Racing Visa. Both are temporary, only 1 year. There are also other methods that are less than ideal or the most legal.

Unfortunately, the LM has the same motor as the GTRs and is well known by the EPA. They know which cars are which and what is elgible to pass the "smog" test. It is possible, but more than likely very difficult to get an LM to pass. If the car would pass, there is a possibility that EPA would let the car into the states.

I am 110% sure that McLaren will never build another McLaren. They do perform repair and mod work, but no further production will ever be done. Their ability at extensive repair is impressive with major sections of bodywork remade from the original carbon fiber patterns, but that is still technically not a new production car.

With regard to the purchase of a car, you will quickly find that McLaren Cars will indeed offer their services of locating a car for you, but I have found that their premium is quite high to do so. It is my opinion to leave McLaren to do what they do best, service and maintain the best car on the planet. It would be my recommendation to leave the sales to those that are more aggressive on price for the sake of the buyer and definitely someone who is very knowledgable of McLarens and the typical service issues and what to look for when finding, inspecting, purchasing, shipping, and converting such a car.

I currently do have REAL cars available.

Meric · #34 08-01-2002, 05:34 AM

XOTech,

Thanks for replying to my post, and I am glad to hear that it is possible to get a McLaren LM into states. That sure is a lot of money for those people's kids to go to school. So basically, if you are willing to pay almost any amount of money to get a hold of that LM, it is most possible. I mean, if you had the money to buy the car, why would you not be able to pay the rest.

If someone ever was able to get their hands on an LM model, being there are only 5, how much do you think that would run, just to get it? I mean, if there are only 5 in the world, if I am correct on that, then how the heck do you get the person to let go of the car? Not like they are just going to give it up, are they? Huh, I guess I will just have to find someone and start running numbers by their heads.

So, since almost everything is possbile with money, how much do you think it would cost to get one in states? Not exactly, but like are we looking at 300 K or less, or more? Must be hard to say since very few people have one.

So you do have REAL cars for sale, lol, that is good. Where do you work, exactly if you don't mind me asking. DO you have a site to go to, to check out the inventory? Huh...how I would like to be in a photo with a McLaren. I mean this really is sad, I am obsessed with the McLaren F1 LM, guess I'm not alone!

As of me doing homework, I have spent many years, not as many as most, researching these cars. Came across this one forum that said this guy put a NOS system into his McLaren, and here was my mental reply. First off I doubt you had the cash to get the car. Second, a Nitros Ox. System would totally mess up the car, doesn't it take about 10,000 miles on the miles for every use, not to mention the damage to the car.

Well I have been up all night again, so I am actually going to sleeeeeep! LaterZ EveryOne! :apoke:

Meric · #35 08-01-2002, 06:15 AM

Oh, I think I forgot to ask, but who is this Sultan guy and his brother with the McLarens....and I hope he doesn't own any Lm's!

Porsche · #36 08-01-2002, 02:53 PM

I'm pretty sure he has one. I remember reading that he has at least a few regualr F1's, and either XOtech or another source said that he had an LM. I also remember hearing that his brother had an LM limo, but again, try XOtech, he knows more about these cars than Mclaren themselves.

Are you like really serious for importing an LM though? I'm not doubting you, there's an abundance of exotic owners on here, so now people get credibility a lot easier.

I can see you're expressing some concern with the fact that there are only 5, I would too

PS: XOtech, do you know a lot about the 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO? I saw one recently (for sure, it was parked at a Ferrari Festival) and I was wondering what the history was on it.

XOTech · #37 08-07-2002, 12:23 AM

Meric,

As you would imagine, the fees for importation go to more than just one facility or business. It seems that everyone gets a piece of the pie, but the fees are not necessarily unique to the high end cars. There are duty taxes, import taxes, shipping charges, storage costs, paperwork fees, and of course, conversion costs. All of those things tend to add up rather quickly. Let it also be said, that while the effort of pioneering the conversion of the LM may be expensive, throwing money at all that work on the car will not make it happen any faster or any better. The conversion process is one that takes a tremendous amount of time and attention to detail to be sure that everyone is doing what needs to be done and at the right time.

But also keep in mind, while it may be possible to import a McLaren LM, it will not be easy. Not to mention that the first car will undergo all the struggles of being the first one. In my mind, I still believe it to be possible. McLaren Cars, Ltd, are not interested in working with or contributing in any fashion to the conversion of a 96 and newer roadcar or the GTRs and LMs for US use. All best efforts have returned rejected from McLaren Cars.

In my time watching and selling cars, there has only been one LM sold. It will more than likely be one of the only LMs to change hands. The LMs were purchased by people that will likely never have the need or desire to part with their car. However, that said, there will undoubtedly still be cars that can be bought for the right money. Even if the right price could purchase the car, the public will never see the car for sale. I am well aware of the many McLaren owners out there and what cars they have. I am aware of an LM that very possibly could be purchased for the right price.

The market for the LM is definitely higher than a normal roadcar. Current discussions suggest that a number close to $3M would generate valid interest on the part of the owner. The fact that there are only 5 LMs ever built should be of great relief to an LM buyer. If indeed a buyer is willing to go the distance to buy an LM, there is reasonable expectation that few others will ever even be offered such an opportunity. Such a buyer will be of only 4 other people on the planet that has the priveledge of owning a McLaren LM.

As for the Sulton of Brunia, last I was able to confirm, he owned several McLaren roadcars and one LM. As for the McLaren limo, there was a company in South Africa (if I remember correctly) that designed and built a McLaren kitcar. Now this is no ordinary kit car, but nonetheless, not the real thing. The accuracy of the car was quite impressive. There were something like 13 cars built but never sold. They were "given" to friends and relatives so as not to infringe on the McLaren Cars, Ltd. rights and patents, etc. One of those kitcars was reported as being converted into a limo. I have not seen pictures and cannot confirm this for certain, but the rumor was out there.

Porsche,

I am quite familiar with the Ferrari 250 GTO. If you can provide me with the chassis number, I can most certainly be able to give you some highlights of the car's history and racing career. If you don't have the chassis number, if you tell me what show you saw the car at, I would more than likely still be able to identify the car. I have probably seen the car. Let me know if I can help.

I do not currently have a website. I do have a site that is designed in preliminary stages, but is not finished. I also do not post an inventory of what I am currently offering. The reason being is that the amount of effort it takes to assemble such a list is quite high and by the time it is finished and promoted, nearly every car on the list is either sold or not for sale. Also with the type of cars that I tend to specialize in such as the McLaren, owners do not care to have their car promoted publicly. I work much more efficiently with direct contact with buyers and sellers.

As or NOS on a McLaren, that is like putting a rocket motor on a VW Bug. Why!?...

It is absurd to even suggest it. There are a great many of modifications that can be done to a McLaren within reason of its reliability and while maintaining its integrity (in terms of value) that would put the car well into the books of performance without such feable, cheat devices like NOS or a supercharger. Natural Aspiration is where it's at.

Just my 2cents.

Meric · #38 08-07-2002, 11:57 AM

Wow, sounds like a lot to go through just to get one. I was wondering about what you said about how the factory was not interested in us conversions of the newer models. I was wondering if you could explain this a bit, please. I mean, you go out there and spend over $3-4 million one one of their rarest vehicles and they won't even convert it over to be driven in the US! What is up with that, maybe I should go for another McLaren model just so that I can get the factory to be ab;e to comvert it.

Can anyone tell me what kind of security the McLaren's have or of what the most owners of them put in?

Thanks for your answers XOTech! :flash:

denali_man_XL · #39 08-09-2002, 05:45 PM

WOW that is alot of information.
And i was wondering i don't know if u posted this already but wut do they do when the Convert it to US?
Thanks
-ryan

XOTech · #40 08-15-2002, 02:49 AM

Meric,

McLaren has made it quite clear that they are not in the conversion business. Originally when they were designing the McLaren, they studied the regulations and requirements for every country, most importantly the US regulations because they were the most stringent. They were the toughest to meet. As they got deeper into the requirements, it became apparent that to meet the US requirements was more costly than they were willing to commit to and chose not to proceed with the US certification. Now thanks to the thoughts and efforts of several key people in the DOT, and car owners that wished to bring their cars to the states, the advent of the Show & Display Law at least makes the import of the McLaren possible.

McLaren Cars, Ltd, has remained true to their original decision, not to pursue any aspect of US conversion or EPA compliance. Since all of the original McLarens have been sold, there are no new cars and the money from sales rarely ever goes through the factory, unless a buyer contracts McLaren Cars directly. They do, however, still religiously maintain the cars in terms of service as do several Service Centers located in various countries.

Not only will McLaren Cars not pursue any conversion efforts, they will also not support any such effort. All conversion research and retrofit is solely the responsibility of other parties, not McLaren.

There is one exception. As a result of the 1994 and 95 EPA regulations for smog here in the states (pre OBD ii), McLaren will (at a customer's request) convert a '94 or '95 McLaren for use in the US. They will not do any such conversion for a 96 and newer McLaren (post OBD ii).

Regarding security, most owners don't install any system at all. They do not come with a security system when new, but it can be installed. I have seen customer cars that have had systems installed that are quite impressive. It is entirely up to the owner. Anything can be done. It is only money.

Denali Man. I know there is a lot of information here, as for the requirements of conversion, I have posted numerous posts regarding this subject. I would recommend a search on all of my previous posts or just snoop around in the McLaren forum. I am quite outspoken in this forum as you will find. If there is still a quesion that isn't answered, let me know, I will be glad to answer it.

jsb88 · #41 09-11-2002, 02:42 PM

I have just read all the baove text... It took 1 1/2 hours... and I learnt so much! its like the end of a novel!

Porsche · #42 09-11-2002, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XOTech
Porsche,

I am quite familiar with the Ferrari 250 GTO. If you can provide me with the chassis number, I can most certainly be able to give you some highlights of the car's history and racing career. If you don't have the chassis number, if you tell me what show you saw the car at, I would more than likely still be able to identify the car. I have probably seen the car. Let me know if I can help.

XOTECH, the car was located at a Pavilion at Mont Tremblant, Quebec, Canada. I tried my best to find info but there was none, at the time I was there (July 29th) It had a black "74" race number (sticker on hood & doors), the car had blue seats, although I believe they were stock and no other markings whatsoever other than the Yellow Ferrari badge on the hood. I have pictures, but not with me.

XOTech · #43 09-15-2002, 01:59 AM

Porsche.

I have done some searching but haven't turned up anything positive. I do know of a couple cars in the NY area that quite possibly could have made the trip to the Canada meet. The number may or may not be of use as they are changed from time to time depending if the car is actually raced on the vintage circuit or not.. I will see what I can find.. Please post a picture when you get the chance. There are slight differences in each car that can sometimes lead to a closer match.

Peloton25 · #44 11-13-2003, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche

XOTECH, the car was located at a Pavilion at Mont Tremblant, Quebec, Canada. I tried my best to find info but there was none, at the time I was there (July 29th) It had a black "74" race number (sticker on hood & doors), the car had blue seats, although I believe they were stock and no other markings whatsoever other than the Yellow Ferrari badge on the hood. I have pictures, but not with me.

My apologies for resurrecting an ancient thread, but I saw this photo today and I recalled someone here inquiring about a 250 GTO with blue seats. This appears to be the one:

Per this website the car belongs to Ralph Lauren (click his name) which would certainly explain it being seen at Mont Tremblant. The site lists the production number of this GTO as #3987GT. There are several other photos of this car at that site.

>8^)
ER

gerd · #45 11-13-2003, 06:52 PM

Steve Will went to Germany to buy 072 having already arranged the sale with the owner, Gunther Dahms. Dahms reneged, but three weeks later the sale was completed. Will and Newport Autosport were 50/50 on 045, ex Petrik which is now Elon Musk's I beleive.
Fritz handled the "conversions".
Pre-1/1996 McLarens are a slam dunk with passing US emissions.
The LM does not meet US specs. And if it were modified to do so, it would run like crap. The LM was designed for a non-catalyist exhaust system. How did LM03 get in?
I had an F50 owner out west tell me that $110,000.00 will guarantee "conversion" and "approval". He has done it plenty of times.

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