E36 M3 vs Trans am WS6.

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

a third rate american sports car Vs an evolved German touring car. please, that's a ridiculous comparison.

i wonder if anybody has ever bothered to put the TA round N'burg, betting they have with Z06's even camaro's probably... what exactly was the design brief on the trans am anyway? look tough and sound mean and be able to move as much iron as a mining truck with about the same handling? The M3 was built, successfully, to obliterate everything in it's class, and it did so as a giant killer, the E36 is more refined, more powerfull and has even better build quality, it's also more comfortable than the original M3. it only came off the pinnicle when the R32 came on the scene... with the same aspirations.

What exactly is made of Iron in those cars again?. You may not like or even respect the American muscle car but they appeal to a great many people. I happen to agree that the M3 is a all around better choice however I am all for the market the F-body's were made for its a tribute to back in the day when cars were all about brute force and while they might not be as nimble as say a M3 they car handle turns just fine. The Z06 on the other hand should not be thrown in on this, its a all around performance machine that can handle with the best of them. Also this is the car comparison forum people should feel free to compare whatever auto's they like without it turning into a flame war. As crazyjay has already said its not your job to police the forum telling people what they can and can not compare..

[TRD2000]

and the morris minor scored wins in it's class to! but i'm hardly going to compare it with a C5.

I don't know what you mean by soloII, is it like the "world" series baseball? anyway i wasn't being anti-american or narrow minded, the fact is that I can't think of an american car that is similar to a euro/jap touring car. there just doesn't seem to be a market for them in the US, well not for US manufacturers (in the US). if you would like to argue that the TA is superioe to the Z06 or the viper, which i would consider as 2nd, maybe 1st rate americaan sports cars then great, but if it's not superior then it must therefore be 3rd rate. Similarly the M3 doesn't compete with a Porsche GT2... if the TA is such a great and competent car then why is it not demanded and sold in more markets?

[TRD2000]

Originally Posted by FormulaLT1

What exactly is made of Iron in those cars again?. You may not like or even respect the American muscle car but they appeal to a great many people. I happen to agree that the M3 is a all around better choice however I am all for the market the F-body's were made for its a tribute to back in the day when cars were all about brute force and while they might not be as nimble as say a M3 they car handle turns just fine. The Z06 on the other hand should not be thrown in on this, its a all around performance machine that can handle with the best of them. Also this is the car comparison forum people should feel free to compare whatever auto's they like without it turning into a flame war. As crazyjay has already said its not your job to police the forum telling people what they can and can not compare..

i was including the z06 as an example because i had said the ta is a third rate sports car, i said american because thats it's market and manufacture. I also see the TA as more of a tribute car than a sports car, but that's why i see this as a fairly silly comparison. and while you are saying people should feel free to compare what they like, i'm pretty sure i read in the forum rules "no stupid comparisons". which as i have pointed out, in my opinion, this is.

[Rakshas]

The reason I posted this comparo is because, I am actually considering these two cars, they are IMO, the best two cars for me under 20,000 dollars. The TA being the premier American sport coupe, and the M3 being the Premier German sport coupe.

[crayzayjay]

Stop being a pain. The guidelines state "refrain from making stupid comparos like Viper vs. Geo Metro".

Not quite the same as this, i.e. two (admittedly different) takes on what makes a sports car. Just because the decision is easy for you (it is for me too), it doesn't mean the comparison is stupid. Look at the votes. More people (8) have gone for the TA. Are you calling them stupid?

I may not be a big fan of cars like the TA but i respect other peoples' opinions. I suggest you do the same, at least on these boards.

[DinanM3_S2]

I agree with Crayzayjay on this one, even though I don't like the TA, and love the M3, this is still a fair comparo. Now, I want to post more cool E36s.

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God I love M3's

[Layla's Keeper]

TRD2000, SoloII is a form of autocross. You know, autocross, amateur level time attack road racing with more or less street stock cars?

There's also Touring II competition in SCCA, where Camaros and Firebirds have dominated over cars like the Porsche Boxster S and BMW M coupe.

And there's the Grand Am Cup/Motorola Cup endurance racing series for street stock cars. In that series, a pair of Trans-Ams regularly handed Porsche 911 Carreras (996 generation), BMW M3's (E36), and Nissan 350Z's their ass.

Of course, when Trans Am production ceased, the team turned to running a hardtop Vette for a season, then went to the Caddy CTS-V.

[camaroincal]

lol @ all you girls so concerned about your foofy interiors. F that, Face the facts. These cars have nearly identical HP and the T/A murders the M3 in torque. They also weigh nearly the same. give an edge to the M3 in handling, but to me, this is a freaking drivers race, and imho, you're pretty sad if you're gonna pay 2 times ($20,000) as much for your M3 just for a foofy interior that will impress your wife...lol Ok, have at me....

[CrzyMR2T]

well, the multilink rear suspension is infinity times more superior to the solid rear axle, and everyone knows solid rear axles suck, im just playing. im sure it handles fine, it was a joke, so please dont take it seriously. if i had to choose between these two, i would probably pick the m3. i havent driven either cars, but just from looking at it, i like the m3 better. also, im pretty sure it has more room, and i ll probalby like the way it handles better. the power is not bad either.

[99onI95]

That is the dumbest question I've ever heard.

If you chose the Foreign clunker you obviously are a momma's boy.
Who gives a rip about interior? Are you going to cry because your butt is cold and you don't have seat warmers?
By the way when is the last time you've heard of an 800hp to the wheels BMW? When have you seen a BMW win a burnout contest? Have you ever heard of a cheap BMW shop bill?
The list goes on.

By the way this guy I know has a M3 I have the American car below. Guess who gets the booty? That's right ladies and gentlemen the M3 does not stop traffic but t/A's, Z06 vettes, vipers and all other American muscle does. Half the people out there have no idea what M3 stands for or means. They only know a good looking car when they see one.

Real men drive muscle cars. Girlie men drive luxury cars. Enough said.

P.S. DreamSpawn dude why do you own an Fbod if you don't like them?

[chevydrummer76]

Looks like the TA is winning. I would gladly own either car, but the TA is more my style.

Its funny so many people say Camaros, transams, etc handle like shit.... i bet 90% havent even driven one.

[camaroincal]

Ya those damn ricers will tell you our F-bodies handle like pickups until they are blue in the face....lol For how much they love "high tech shit", they sure are stuck in the past about F-body handling. OMG, SOLID REAL AXLE OMFG ITS SO BAD, PLEASE, IM TOO FRAGILE TO FEEL ANY BUMPS FROM THE ROAD!!!

[TatII]

Originally Posted by chevydrummer76

Looks like the TA is winning. I would gladly own either car, but the TA is more my style.

Its funny so many people say Camaros, transams, etc handle like shit.... i bet 90% havent even driven one.

actually 2001Z28LS1 went from driving a Z28 to a EVO back to a WS6, and when he went back from the EVO to the WS6, the WS6 handled liek crap compared to the EVO. however almost every car in our price range will handle like crap compared to a EVO.

[kman10587]

99onI95, he didn't ask which one can hold 800 horsepower, he asked which one would be the best all-around daily driver, autocrosser, and drag racer. Yes, the T/A has it easily in drag racing, but the other two depend on the driver. And who cares which car gets more girls? That has absolutely nothing to do with the car, it has to do with what kind of girls you hang around. In fact, most classier women would greatly prefer the refined and polished M3 to the aggressive and rowdy Trans Am. Now, if you just wanna pick up as many hos as possible (as most adolescent street racers do), the T/A will work just fine. Please, feel free to give us your opinions on why the Trans Am is better than the M3, but if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And please try to give us some more valid and relevant information to support your opinions than "My car has 800 horsepower and girls suck my dick while I do burnouts in it". That doesn't make you look cool, it makes you look like a narrow-minded, stupid-ass meathead.

[Dreamspawn]

Originally Posted by 99onI95

That is the dumbest question I've ever heard.

If you chose the Foreign clunker you obviously are a momma's boy.
Who gives a rip about interior? Are you going to cry because your butt is cold and you don't have seat warmers?
By the way when is the last time you've heard of an 800hp to the wheels BMW? When have you seen a BMW win a burnout contest? Have you ever heard of a cheap BMW shop bill?
The list goes on.

By the way this guy I know has a M3 I have the American car below. Guess who gets the booty? That's right ladies and gentlemen the M3 does not stop traffic but t/A's, Z06 vettes, vipers and all other American muscle does. Half the people out there have no idea what M3 stands for or means. They only know a good looking car when they see one.

Real men drive muscle cars. Girlie men drive luxury cars. Enough said.

P.S. DreamSpawn dude why do you own an Fbod if you don't like them?

NOOO i love my fbody. I love pulling up to ppl who think they ride is pimp or sick in my aera and ripping them a new a**hole. But if he wants to go solo comp i just think the bmw would be better for that. if he wants to drag go with the t/a. Looks wise the T/A again like most f-bodys it sits still and grabs attention. Sound T/A nothing sounds like a 350 v8 espically with a flowmater 80 series. He said solo x with alittle drag. So i'm thinking he wants to go solo xing with stop light to stop light drag,hince i said the bmw. But then again for 20K he can get the T/A and rework the suspension and engine to rip the M a new a hole. But stock vs stock at auto x bmw.