need your guys' opinion

[TatII]

Originally Posted by street_racer_00

BMW 328+Jaysons Cavy+acura RSX-S+chevy cobalt+S/C'd TC=2 cars, apparently.

hahah so apparently all of these cars run's low 14's with only 200 hp right? give me a break. my argument is that its very very hard to come by a car that can run a low 14 with only 200 hp. those examples you pointed only added strenght to my arguement. non of these cars you listed runs a low 14.

you know what? why don't you go prove me wrong. go search on the net and find me a super charged Tc running on stock 6 psi ( or 200 crank hp ) that can run a low 14 and i will never question your logic ever again.

i still find it funny that you think a 3000 lb car with a only 200 hp can run a low 14.

how about civicHBsi91's car? that weights well around 2200 lbs with a swapped engine and hes running nitrous and he runs a freaking low 14.

how is a again a 3000lb car making less power then him goin to run the same speed he is? and don't tell me its becusae the super charger got more low end tq. that is bullhshit because it will only further add to his handicap because he'll be spinning the shit out of his tires off the line and he'll still lack the top end of a turbo car, or a car running spray at the 2nd portion of the track ( like how civicHBsi91 is doing ) if low end tq is so great, he would hit the spray right off the line but hes smarter then that and on street tires on a non prepared surface ( race track ) he'll just spin his tires and first gear becomes completely useless. why don't you go and try to drive a SRT-4 or a turbo charged teg and find out how hard it is to find traction in a high powered FWD. then come back and talk to me, becuase apparently you've never driven any of them to know their strenghts and weaknesses.

argue with me all you want but so far no one has sided with you yet. i use to respect what you say, but now its on the iffy side.

edit: i just tried to do some research on a supercharged Tc and found nothing. however i found out that the stock Tc only traps at 88 mph. which means it would take the car around 20 seconds to hit 0-100mph. a low 14 second car will hit 100mph in around 5 seconds faster. looking at the trap speed is the way to determine pure hp. for a fwd to run a lower e.t generally requires higher hp becuase they make up for the poor 60' time by using top end. a low 14 second fwd usually traps over 95-100mph. good luck trying to add 7-12 mph from just 40hp as all people here would knows enough about car would be almost utterly impossible to do that kind of progress with only 40 crank hp esp since the super charger would only add more weight to the car.

the only reason why jayson runs such a low e.t with such a low trap speed is because he has a automatic. its a like a double edge sword, you can get alot more consistency with a auto tranny off the line esp if you have good low end tq. the auto tranny lets you take off without spinning too much power, and since jayson has good low end tq the auto tranny didn't hurt his low end performance as much. so he can move yet the tranny will restriction him enough just to not spin those wheels too much. however the auto's problem shows in the 2nd half of the track by sucking up too much power up top thats why he has such a low trap speed for his 1/4 time. a type R would run the same time but will trap at 97 mph compared to jayson 91 mph.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by street_racer_00

BMW 328

Low 14? Doubt that. Try a low 15 (15.2ish) for the base sedan, high 14/low 15 (bout a 15flat) for the Ci or iS versions. A 330Ci with the sports package might put you in the mid to higher low 14s.

[dampachi]

I generally use a 10hp = one tenth off your 1/4 mile, lose 100 pounds of non-rotational mass, another tenth off standard. That's not always 100% true..but it's kind of a guideline you can use and be somewhat accurate. So, let's say you run a 15.7 now. when you get your 40hp extra..I'd assume you run a 15.3. And I'm pretty sure Type-Rs run faster than high 14s. More like mid. I met a guy who ran a 14.4 with his Type-R. And he claimed it was stock..so yeah.

[dampachi]

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-Integ...eslip-195.html
14.3@96mph

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-Integ...slip-1566.html
14.8@96mph

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-Integ...eslip-711.html
14.9@93mph

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-Integ...eslip-106.html
15.3!!!!!!!!!! LOL!

[street_racer_00]

Fine, I'm done arguing, you're right, I'm wrong, you know everything, I know nothing...I'm over it already, Jesus H. Christ. Cassiesman, I never said a 328 would run low 14's, I believe I said around a 15 flat, if you look back in the first post which I mentioned it...no I never have driven all those cars, I have only owned one car my entire life...have you driven all of them?

[TatII]

Originally Posted by street_racer_00

Fine, I'm done arguing, you're right, I'm wrong, you know everything, I know nothing...I'm over it already, Jesus H. Christ. Cassiesman, I never said a 328 would run low 14's, I believe I said around a 15 flat, if you look back in the first post which I mentioned it...no I never have driven all those cars, I have only owned one car my entire life...have you driven all of them?

one of my best friend owns a STi, my other best friend owns a EVO, my other best friend owns a MR2 turbo, one of my best friends owns a S2000, i know another guy who owns a type R,i'm good friends with a guy that owns a 13 second 240, i'm good friends with a guy who owns a turbo Teg, i'm good friends with a guy that owns a SRT-4, one of my best friends owns a 03 max. one of my co workers owns a RSX-type S, and two of my good friends own h22 powered preludes, i've also driven twin turbo supra's ( automatic though ) i've sat in E36 M3's and E46 M3's as well. i know it sounds unbelieveable but i've had my share of other car's experiences.

i've driven 90% of those cars, and i've ridden in 100% of all of them. and i am 100% aware of what they are capable of.

there is no way a 200hp Tc can even take down, let alone keep up with half of those cars on the list. i'm sure my friends 93 special edition V-tec lude will make short work of it since he has a factory freak.

[street_racer_00]

Hmm...H22a engine in those '93 ludes right? (I'm not all up on honda engines)....those things are fast just the way they are....like high 14 second cars, right?

[streetrcr45]

you have alot of best friends

[street_racer_00]

lol...I know...even if I had as many best friends as he did, they'd all have crappy cars anyway.

[TatII]

Originally Posted by street_racer_00

Hmm...H22a engine in those '93 ludes right? (I'm not all up on honda engines)....those things are fast just the way they are....like high 14 second cars, right?

yes the 93 special edition prelude is the third production honda to ever use the v-tec system. the first one would be on the NSX with the C30A and the next one is found in the 2nd gen teg GS-R with the B17A, and like a year later on the special edition 93 ludes.

those can run a high 14 with a excellent driver stock. however the car weights 2800lbs and have 190hp, and have decent tq in the 150 range. my friends lude has a intake, and exhuast and thats it.however its weird becasue when he raced my other friend with a Type R with a cold air intake, the type R got him off the line becuase of the LSD and got him by a car, but by the time they hit 3rd, the lude was catching up!!!

and the type R traps at 97 mph stock. which means that my friends lude is trapping atleast that. which is abnormally high for a near stock h22a powered lude. those trap speed rivals those of a S2000. again that prelude is able to keep up with me and my friend witht he S2000, and my friend with the MR2 turbo.

as much as i hate to admit it, that freaking car is amazingly fast for what it is, it catches alot of people by surprise.

we are tryin to arrange a race between him and my other friend with the SRT4 just for shits and giggles. i'm sure he'll probrably be like right on his tail ( around like 3-4 cars back )

[street_racer_00]

Didn't those si preludes have that weird ass 4 wheel steering too?

[TatII]

the Si is totally different from a special edition. only the 93's were called special editions becasue they are very rare. and then from 94 on they were just called v-tec ludes.

the Si ran on a H23 which is basically a 2.3 liter twin cam 16 valve non v-tec engine that made aroudn 160hp from what i remember. those weren't too fast, and they had that AWS. its kinda like how the 5th gen ludes got the SH model with the ATTS system. ( active torque transfer system )

[street_racer_00]

That's right, I forgot that the top of the line ludes were just called the "vtec" trim...I guess I'm just used to top of the line honda products being called si or type R.

[contrinsic]

i would probably supercharge it. i own a '03 Cobra and of course its supercharged stock but its fun as hell, plus i also SC my '93 Cobra. i also have done a shit ton of other mods. so i would SC the Tc, as well as some other mods.


p.s.fucking alphabet soup

[TatII]

Originally Posted by streetrcr45

you have alot of best friends

haha yes i do alot of good friends and probrably only 5 best friends that i grew up with. remember this is nyc. we meet people all the time, out of like 100 people i meet, only like 5 of those people i will trust enough to be my friends or is actually worth hanging out with.

so i've known these people for a long time, and these guys have never sold me out for anything or was always there for me esp when things got ugly so definitly good friends that helps out with money etc.

and i just happen to live in a nice middle class neighborhood in nyc. you saw spiderman right? i live in that same neighborhood as aunt may i even know where they shot her house, and i also know where they shot the scene where peter was just tryin to webswing for the first time.

thats why most of my friends drive nice cars, but its all buy luck

2 of my friends got into big accidents so the one with the evo, the insurance gave 10K for his wrecked lude, and he used that as a downpayment for his EVO and he pays the rest off himself.

the one with the STi got rear ended in his accord, and he poped his shoulder, so he sued the guy and got a STi.

the guy the S2000 just got it as a gift fromt his parents ( no good )

the guy with the MR2 turbo took out a personal loan from his parents ( all paided off already )

the guy with the RX-7 TT his parents bought him the car ( but he pays for all the repairs and maintaineses )

the guy with the turbo Teg bought the car from a salvage auction, fixed the whole car himself, then built the engine, then turboed it himself.

and the other guy bought the prelude special edition with his own money.

so as you see half of my friends bought the cars' themselves. ( too ashamed to mention the rest of them because they're parents bought them there cars )

however i also hang out with different clicks. the main people i hang out with is only 3. however all of our clicks use to be one big group of friends like around 50 large. then it sorta seperated into like 10 different sub groups casue our interest changed. however we never see each other any differently and still have get togethers such as b.b.q's on many ocassions or just me

et up at a bar or karokee.