03 Mach 1 Faster Than A 04 Vett - Page 3

nastyNater · #31 09-09-2005, 05:17 PM

there is so much misinformation in this thread its not funny. A stock vette w/ 450 horse? not since the 454 back in the late 60's, or the new Z06 w/ 500. A new model vette(not '06) has a LS1 w/ 345 hp. The Z06(not '06) has 405. I know for a fact that the 320 hp Mach 1 will not touch either one in anything. At the drag, through the turns, top speed.....Vette owns.

neatofrito1618 · #32 09-10-2005, 10:46 AM

how is that "so much misinformation its not even funny"? i estimated that they had between 400-450 hp. and they have 405 so how am i wrong? and the mach 1 has 305 hp. not 320 hp.

M3FordBoy · #33 09-10-2005, 09:36 PM

^Ya the 450hp thing is trying to take in affect that companies under rate some of their cars. It was said that the '04 Z06 is putting out at least 450hp. And I said it was putting out at most 450hp. And the Mach1 ony puts out 305hp like neato said. A '99 Cobra puts out 320hp though.

97MUSTANGGT · #34 09-13-2005, 08:18 PM

Vettes Rule And so do Mustangs I hate gtos

nastyNater · #35 09-14-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by M3FordBoy

^Ya the 450hp thing is trying to take in affect that companies under rate some of their cars. It was said that the '04 Z06 is putting out at least 450hp. And I said it was putting out at most 450hp. And the Mach1 ony puts out 305hp like neato said. A '99 Cobra puts out 320hp though.

SVT is only 320? i thought it had more than that...

neatofrito1618 · #36 09-15-2005, 03:31 PM

the 99's are 320 the 03-04's r 390

MrPbody · #37 09-16-2005, 01:33 PM

97,
You're not the same guy that hated the GTO taillites and exhaust tips, are you? (typical view a Mustang owner gets of GTO)

The "book" lists the Corvette at 405 HP and the GTO at 400 (apparently there's a slight difference in exhaust systems). These are "SAE Net" ratings (at the tailshsaft of the trans with all accessories installed and operating). I've seen two GTOs put 395 to the rear wheels on a good dyno. Both were unmodified, so the "net" rating is pretty close.

It was common for manufacturers to underrate engines in the late '60s for insurance purposes. We don't see much of it anymore. FWIW, a 435 HP 427 Chevy (rated in "gross brake" horsepower, or at the flywheel with no accessories) makes less horsepower than a 405 HP LS6. Torque is an entirely different matter. NONE of the modern V8 engines make the raw power from the muscle car era. Big cubes and long connecting rods...

The taillite/exhaust tip jab was all in fun... I know I really like driving my brother's '99 Cobra AND my nephew's Bullit. Fun cars. Low 14s on both counts. Both cars are unmodified. I can't say about my nephew, but my brother's driving skills are excellent. He raced with us a lot "back in the day".

Jim

M3FordBoy · #38 09-17-2005, 02:02 PM

^Wow! 395rwhp is realy good for a car rated at 400hp. The only test I have seen for a '03 Cobra was 365rwhp.

97MUSTANGGT · #39 09-20-2005, 08:09 PM

na i aint the same guy who hates the exaust tip and taillights. i just dont like the way it looks i aint a gto fan.

dxasaurus · #40 10-08-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by neatofrito1618

i still think the 05 mustang gt would beat a 04 gto. and the 04 mach 1(witch started this thread) would destroy a 04 or 05 gto.

They had a head to head in motor trend and the GTO wrecked the '05 Mustang GT. An '05 GT isn't much slower than a Mach 1. I'd venture to say an '04-'05 GTO could still pull on a '04 Mach 1

The only way a stock Mach 1 will beat a Stock C5 Vette is if the vette is a stick and the father let his son borrow it and he cant' drive for ****. A C5 vette makes more horsepower, is more aerodynamic, lighter, and is better geared. A Mach 1 still can't run a better time than an LS1 F-body with the same drivers, so I dont' see how a Mach 1 could beat an LS1 in a lighter chasis.

Mr. Luos · #41 10-08-2005, 06:17 PM

I am yet to see a STOCK LS1/LS6/LS2 put down anywhere near 390 to the wheels. And believe me, I am around these cars all the time.
LS1 tends to be around 310 RWHP.
LS6 tends to be around 335-345 RWHP.
LS2 tends to be around 340 RWHP.

2004 LS1 GTO = Upper 13's
2005 LS2 GTO = Mid 13's
2004 Mach1 = Mid 13's
2004 C5 Corvette = Lower 13's....good driver sees upper 12's pretty easy.
2004 C5 Z06 Corvette = Mid 12's

And I do agree, there is a lot of numbers being tossed around in this thread that aren't quite accurate.

nastyNater · #42 10-09-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

I am yet to see a STOCK LS1/LS6/LS2 put down anywhere near 390 to the wheels.
LS1 tends to be around 310 RWHP.
LS6 tends to be around 335-345 RWHP.
LS2 tends to be around 340 RWHP.

2004 LS1 GTO = Upper 13's
2005 LS2 GTO = Mid 13's
2004 Mach1 = Mid 13's
2004 C5 Corvette = Lower 13's....good driver sees upper 12's pretty easy.
2004 C5 Z06 Corvette = Mid 12's

And I do agree, there is a lot of numbers being tossed around in this thread that aren't quite accurate.

bout time there was some reliable info posted in this thread. Slap me and call me sally if your putting 390 to the ground w/ a stock LS1.

97MUSTANGGT · #43 10-10-2005, 11:29 PM

I found out the 03 mach 1 is the the 7th fastest ford production car . But my freinds is a 04 mach1 what is the difernce.

MrPbody · #44 10-11-2005, 06:30 PM

I am not here to dispute Mr. Luos, however, his experience does not reflect mine. And , for the record, my information when provided as such, is ALWAYS accurate. My opinions are another matter.
I HAVE seen several (all at one race) GTOs going low (not "mid") 13s without modifications. I have also seen them run away and hide from Corvettes up to about 140 MPH.
I have also seen an '05 GTO make 395 AT THE REAR WHEELS. You don't have to believe me. That's your issues, not mine. That was on Greg Miller's dyno at New Age Performance, Orange, Virginia. The car was stock. They don't just grab numbers out of the air anymore when rating engines. They actually test them. Insurance and NHRA are no longer a concern (like they were in the early '70s) when it comes to power rating. NOTE: AN '05 GTO, NOT an '04. LS1 made 350 horses. Ls2 makes 400. LS7 is the one to watch! 505! (no blower, Ford guys...)

Sorry if I sound a bit defensive. As a professional, I DO get a bit flustered when directly challenged.
I assure you, I never post information as "fact" unless I know it to be true. If it's my "opinon", it WILL be qualified as such. And my opinion is as valid as anyone else's, provided they base it on accurate information.
PAX

Jim

Mr. Luos · #45 10-11-2005, 09:03 PM

Would you like me to post 5-6 dyno's of stock LS2 GTO's???
I don't doubt you saw a 2005 GTO make 395 RWHP. But it wasn't stock. They are rated at 400 HP....crank. Not to the wheels.
Believe me, I am ALL for the numbers you are saying. I would love the GTO to make those numbers. Problem is, they need to be modded to hit them.

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