Debate: Are ghosts real or not?

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by chacal

I'm not born english speaker, so sometimes I have a hard time trying to translate my ideas.

What I meant with that was: If you open your mind without using common sense, you will open it too much and fall for every hoax, pranck, trick and fraud someone throws at you, like ghosts.

No they are NOT. Do you even know who Jesus was? Jesus was God's sun. Helloooooo? Are you saying Jesus was a ghost?
I said it once and I say it again, if you believe in God you cannot believe in ghosts. Or voodoo, whitchcraft, tarot, etc, etc, also.

1 - What do you know about science? Science is not closed! Science cannot explain everything today and it won't ever be able to do so.. Scientists are knowledge seekers. The search for knowledge is a neverending trip; every finding brings new questions.
2 - Most of the ghosts and ghostly experiences were already explained by science.

Your English is excellent by the way, and thank you for clarifying. I realize that believing everything you hear is foolish.

I know who Jesus is.

The Bible has numerous references to "spirit" or "soul" which is what I think ghosts are.

Your point #1: You say that science cannot explain everything today and won't ever be able to do so. Then, in your point #2, you state that MOST of the ghostly experiences were explained by science.

So by your own argument, since science cannot explain everything and there are some ghostly experiences that are unexplained by science, there exist some ghostly experiences that haven't been explained by science. Could these actually be ghosts?

[fredjacksonsan]

And also Chacal, you refer to fear as being "chilling". I understand this feeling, but it's not the same as a temperature drop in a room BEFORE you experience anything that would cause fear. You still haven't answered these 2 questions (so this is the last time I'll ask):

How would you explain a temperature drop?

Can you at least admit that ghosts MIGHT exist?

[Xtreme_098]

I want to believe but im also religious. My religion says all spirits go to either heaven or hell so im in a constant struggle. Proving ghosts are real might prove religion is wrong because the bible never mentions it.

Just something to think about.

[YogsVR4]

I have three things to say.

I find it funny that some people who don't believe in a God believe that there are ghosts.

I believe in God.

I don't believe in ghosts.

[youngvr4]

i believe in god, and my mind is open to ghosts

for all i know, ghosts could be angels

and some ghosts could be demons

and who here has read the whole bible(or atleast more than 3/4ths of it)to where they can say, the bible says there aren't ghosts

me, i only have 5 books left, from my reading and knowledge, its possible.

[2Slow4U_Noob]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

I've heard many many stories.
But one that freaked me out the most was I got this freind who goes deep in forests and takes pictures of whatever. One time he went to the outskirts of our town, where nobody lives, and decided he was gonna camp there for the weekend...alone. Whe he got back, he told me that after taking a couple of pictures for that weekend, came back in town and went to develop the pictures. Now here's the freaky part, he said that some of the pictures were of him sleeping.

That happened to my gf's friend before. Thats wierd. Anyways I find it funny that many people laugh at the thought of ghosts yet go to church every sunday to worship a man who rose from the dead and turned water into wine. Personally I believe there is more to this world than what we know today. Science has always had its limitations, and besides there are many scientists who do study paranormal activities. They are not a bunch of quacks, but are people trying to put a scientific explanation behind things that are unexplained. You will never convince someone who doesnt believe in ghosts that they exists until they see it for themselves. It's similar to religion when they say "Theres no such thing as an athiest in a foxhole". Personally i can accept the fact that others don't believe in ghosts, I just can't understand how people can be so critical of those that do. Believing in ghosts doesn't automatically mean your a moron, or stupid, or even gullible, it just means you have an open mind about things that have not been proven yet.

[youngvr4]

i like your statement above, i totally agree

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by 2Slow4U_Noob

Believing in ghosts doesn't automatically mean your a moron, or stupid, or even gullible, it just means you have an open mind about things that have not been proven yet.

No it doesn't mean someone’s a moron, nor does it mean they come up short on the intelligence chart, but it does not mean that they have an open mind. All it means is that they've taken leaps in logic. An open mind means they'll listen to other hypotheses, not that they have to believe in it.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by chacal

1 - No they are NOT. Do you even know who Jesus was? Jesus was God's sun. Helloooooo? Are you saying Jesus was a ghost?
I said it once and I say it again, if you believe in God you cannot believe in ghosts. Or voodoo, whitchcraft, tarot, etc, etc, also.

So what would you call the reincarnation of Christ? And your saying that ghosts dont exist because they can't be explained scientifically, so I ask you this.
1. Have you seen your brain?
2.Have you heard your brain?
3.Have you tasted your brain?
4.Have you smelt your brain?
5.Have you touched your brain?

If you can't answer a simple yes to any of these then I conclude that you have a brain? Would that make me right?

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

All it means is that they've taken leaps in logic. An open mind means they'll listen to other hypotheses, not that they have to believe in it.

Just like with Freud, you dont have to believe his research, just understand it.

[chacal]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan
The Bible has numerous references to "spirit" or "soul" which is what I think ghosts are.

The Bible says spirits or souls go to heaven or hell. It doesn't say they stay on Earth arrassing people.

Originally Posted byfredjacksonsan
So by your own argument, since science cannot explain everything and there are some ghostly experiences that are unexplained by science, there exist some ghostly experiences that haven't been explained by science. Could these actually be ghosts?

I said science cannot explain everything because every scientific finding brings new questions. Of course there are ghostly experiences that haven't been explained by science. Your experience, for example. But, as it wasn't examined by scientists, you can't assume it isn't possible to explain it.

Originally Posted byfredjacksonsan
How would you explain a temperature drop?
Can you at least admit that ghosts MIGHT exist?

I can't explain all, much less a phenomenon about which I have very little data. Besides, I am not an expert in thermodynamics. I have given you a link to someone who can help you, my signature has another. I assume you are in USA; I am in Europe (a lot of kilometers - or is it miles? - apart) and it is very difficult to me to jedge that situation. However, these people are nearer to you.
I won't admit ghosts existence unless it is scientifically proven.

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz
1. Have you seen your brain?
2.Have you heard your brain?
3.Have you tasted your brain?
4.Have you smelt your brain?
5.Have you touched your brain?

If you can't answer a simple yes to any of these then I conclude that you have a brain? Would that make me right?

1. No
2. No. Well, I think I heard it laughing when I was reading this...
3. No
4. No
5. No

You can conclude I have a brain because I am human and all humans have brains. You can conclude I have a brain because I could answer those questions. You can conclude I have a brain because I am writing this.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by chacal

1. No
2. No. Well, I think I heard it laughing when I was reading this...
3. No
4. No
5. No

You can conclude I have a brain because I am human and all humans have brains. You can conclude I have a brain because I could answer those questions. You can conclude I have a brain because I am writing this.

I can conclude that you have a brani even though it can't be proven scientifically until you die and cut you up.I don't think your getting my opint, or your clearly evadnig the whole argument.

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by chacal

The Bible says spirits or souls go to heaven or hell. It doesn't say they stay on Earth arrassing people.

I'll answer with one word:

purgatory.

[chacal]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz
I can conclude that you have a brani even though it can't be proven scientifically until you die and cut you up.I don't think your getting my opint, or your clearly evadnig the whole argument.

You don't have a point. Do you need to open a football to know, beyond reasonable doubt, what's inside it? Or an orange? Or an engine? Or a cell phone? Or a body?

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan
I'll answer with one word:

purgatory.

So you think purgatory in Earth and the poor souls who don't get right away a ticket to heaven or hell must wander around here? OK, nice. How can you explain then ghost form VICTIMS of crimes? Worse, ghosts from CHILDREN, some of them real young? Give me a break!

You know what? I'm out to disco. If I meet a ghost, I'll ask him / her / it (do ghosts have sex?) to go and talk to you a bit!

Boooooooo!

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by chacal

You don't have a point. Do you need to open a football to know, beyond reasonable doubt, what's inside it? Or an orange? Or an engine? Or a cell phone? Or a body?

See that's different because thos things are man-made. So answer me this one then, do you beleieve in God?