which is your fav srt

[TypeS]

Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

2004 Dodge SRT-4 Neon

0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
0-100 mph: 13.4 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.9 sec @ 103 mph
Skidpad: .86g
Top Speed: 148 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 119 ft
Slalom Speed: 69.0 mph


2004 Subaru WRX

0-60 mph: 5.7 sec
0-100 mph: 15.0 sec
Quarter Mile: 14.4 sec @ 94.5 mph
Skidpad: .86g
Top Speed: 130 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 138 ft
Slalom Speed: 62.8 mph

2004 Subaru WRX STi

0-60 mph: 4.8 sec
0-100 mph: 12.9 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.2 sec @ 104 mph
Skidpad: .91g
Top Speed: 147 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 111 ft
Slalom Speed: 69.1 mph

Hmm, seems the WRX is lagging pretty far behind, but the SRT-4 and the STi are nip and tuck. So much for the "it's a Neon, it doesn't handle or perform as good" idea.

Hell, haven't you ever heard of the ACR package?

Obviously you don't know the difference between an STi and a base WRX? The Neon will do a LITTLE better than the base WRX in a straight line, but that's it. The base WRX is just a tad slower, the STi is a totally different world. .7 seconds at over 100 mph is a few carlengths buddy. On top of that, you can get the STi into 12s with a good launch, and most "Fast Neon" drivers are in the low 14s.

FWD = Wrong wheel drive, everyone knows that. How can you even compare the handling of an Neon to the STi and Evo If I want a piece of turd that goes fast in a straight line, I'll just take a civic and make it faster than the SRT-4...for a lot less.

The STi owns the SRT-4 in every category. The Neon beats the base WRX in a straight line by .4 seconds. That's where it ends. It can barely beat the base WRX, let alone an STi.

Magazines compare the SRT-4 to Nissan Sentras and Mazda Proteges, not STis.

"Gathering performance data, it quickly became clear the SRT-4 was dominating the straight-line tests, and the Mazdaspeed Protegé was being equally relentless with the handling tests. To break the tie, we took to the mountains and let real-world speed decide the winner. As you have surely guessed, the SRT-4 was the faster of the two, but not by much. It took more than three miles for the SRT-4 to pull an appreciable gap on the Protegé."

Now, imagine what the STi would do to a Protege.

Nuff Said.

[Layla's Keeper]

Oh, I'm sorry, that tenth of a mph gap between the SRT-4 (you know, Quaife LSD and all) and the STi in the SLALOM doesn't qualify as keeping pace in cornering.

The STi's "cornering slaughter" reads like this. It's up a tenth of a mph in the slalom, brakes down from 60mph in 8 less feet, and pulls .05 more g's on the skidpad.

Now where I come from that's not a slaughter. Especially considering the following -

SRT-4 price: $20,995
STi Price: $30,995

And should I add that the SRT-4 is currently mopping up SCCA's Touring II class? Trouncing Porsche Boxsters, Cadillac CTS-V's, and BMW Z4's in the process?

And, for the record, Touring II is a production class just a notch above Showroom Stock (which by the way, is an SCCA class that the previous generation DOHC Neon ACR dominates)

[-The Stig-]

Yeah, Them SRT-4's and Neon ACR's can be made to handle damn well.

They do pretty damn good stock too. They may look like shit boxes, but they don't handle like one.

Road racing or Solo2 racing they kick ass, I wouldn't fuck with one even if I had full suspension.

[Polygon]

I was going to leave it at what Layla and Redneck said, but this guy is too misinformed and ignorant. Also, TypeS, the SRT-4 is no mare a Neon that the Evo is a lancer or the WRX and STi are an Impreza.

Originally Posted by TypeS

Obviously you don't know the difference between an STi and a base WRX? The Neon will do a LITTLE better than the base WRX in a straight line, but that's it. The base WRX is just a tad slower, the STi is a totally different world. .7 seconds at over 100 mph is a few carlengths buddy. On top of that, you can get the STi into 12s with a good launch, and most "Fast Neon" drivers are in the low 14s.

Obviously you didn't even look at the numbers he put up. The SRT-4 out does the WRX in every category. It also manages to be right on the ass of the STi in most every category.

Learn to read, and then let it sink in before you make a post that might make you look stupid.

Originally Posted by TypeS

FWD = Wrong wheel drive, everyone knows that. How can you even compare the handling of an Neon to the STi and Evo If I want a piece of turd that goes fast in a straight line, I'll just take a civic and make it faster than the SRT-4...for a lot less.

You = not so smart.

If FWD is wrong wheel drive then how come Alfa Romeo has been very successful in racing with FWD against many RWD cars. Also, I've watched SCCA where a CTS-V hit an SRT-4. They both went off the track and the grass was wet. The SRT-4 got right back on. The CTS-V had to wait for help to get back on the track. Looks like that RWD helped him out there. It isn't wrong, it is just different. Also, you aren't going to make a Civic run 12s for the price you can pay to get an SRT-4 into the 12s. The car is about $21,000 and for around $2,000 you can get it running in the 12s in the 1/4 mile. I would love to see you make a Civic run 12s in the quarter for around $23,000. Too bad it isn't possible.

Originally Posted by TypeS

The STi owns the SRT-4 in every category. The Neon beats the base WRX in a straight line by .4 seconds. That's where it ends. It can barely beat the base WRX, let alone an STi.

It beat the WRX by a half of a second down the 1/4 mile and the STi only beat the SRT-4 by two tenths of a second. Not what I would call getting owned given that the SRT-4 is a whole ten thousand dollars less! The SRT-4 also murdered the WRX in the slalom and braking and was the same speed as the STi through the slalom and barely longer in braking distance. Also, don’t get me started on how well the SRT-4 has been doing in the SCCA and Rally.

Originally Posted by TypeS

Magazines compare the SRT-4 to Nissan Sentras and Mazda Proteges, not STis.

Don't be stupid, that is because those are the cars in the same price range as the SRT-4. They aren't going to compare it to the 350Z, Evo, STi, or RX-8 because they all cost about $10,000 more.

[street_racer_00]

Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

2004 Dodge SRT-4 Neon
Hmm, seems the WRX is lagging pretty far behind, but the SRT-4 and the STi are nip and tuck. So much for the "it's a Neon, it doesn't handle or perform as good" idea.

Hell, haven't you ever heard of the ACR package?

True, but the interior of an SRT-4 looks like something out of a kia, maybe even a dihatsu, and when it first came out, didn't offer an LSD... hello torque steer...plus we all know what FWD goes as far as handling characteristics go...MASSIVE understeer...you won't get that in an AWD car...plus it is still a neon for christs sake, even if it is a 230 hp one.

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by street_racer_00

True, but the interior of an SRT-4 looks like something out of a kia, maybe even a dihatsu, and when it first came out, didn't offer an LSD... hello torque steer...plus we all know what FWD goes as far as handling characteristics go...MASSIVE understeer...you won't get that in an AWD car...plus it is still a neon for christs sake, even if it is a 230 hp one.

1. What the hell do you people want? You can't have great performance and a nice plush interior for $20,000. You're just freaking nit picking now. Also, the 2003 did not come with an LSD, however it was also under $20,000 while the 2004 was about $21,000.

2. You can make a FWD car oversteer if you want to. It is set up to do that because it is a hell of lot safer on the street for someone to understeer than oversteer. Also, I just read in the latest Sport Compact Car where they were comparing the STi and the Evo MR and guess what? The STi exhibited understeer at the limit. Won't see that in an AWD car huh? This is from page 117 in the February issue of Sport Compact Car:

Corner entry speeds are faster now, and the STi exhibits classic understeer. Come in too hot and the Subaru will push. Apply too much power exiting a turn and your peripheral view of the inside line is replaced by the guardrail. While huge and tourqy, the STi's power-band is not progressive, meaning you go from a balanced car midcorner to one that pushes, rather than tucks in as you apply power. Recovering from psycho steer means letting off and waiting for the car to come back under your control. Increased steering is of no consequence.

The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what your layout is, FF, FR, MR, or AWD. Weather or not the car will understeer or oversteer is mainly determined by how the chassis is set up. I've seen all types of layouts exhibit massive understeer. It is just more common for a FWD because all the weight is up front. Also, most FWD cars are driven on the street, and like I said, it is much safer for a car to understeer. Also, understeer is quite easy to overcome. Most any skilled driver knows not to steer more, but to turn towards the slide as if you were on ice. This will give the poor tires some of their traction back.

Once again, don't be ignorant.

[-The Stig-]

I agree.

[CivRacer95]

This one is for TYPES:



and This one is for Street_Racer_00



Polygon: 2
other guys: ZERO, ZILCHE, NOTA, NOTHING, ETC....

Oh and Late...

[CassiesMan]

CivRacer, thanks for the first pic...TUCK FEXAS! (Wreck 'Em Tech!)

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by Polygon

1. What the hell do you people want? You can't have great performance and a nice plush interior for $20,000. You're just freaking nit picking now. Also, the 2003 did not come with an LSD, however it was also under $20,000 while the 2004 was about $21,000.

You can get a decent miliage used E36 ///M3 for 15K. Performance and plush for under 20k!

*ducks as Polygon chuncks a rather large object at my face for being an nit picky semantical asshole*

[street_racer_00]

Originally Posted by CivRacer95

and This one is for Street_Racer_00



Polygon: 2
other guys: ZERO, ZILCHE, NOTA, NOTHING, ETC....

Oh and Late...

own this...

blah blah blah...a neon is still a neon...plus you have no idea what the driver is like...any moron that drives into a corner 20 mph too fast is going to have understeer...that might have been the case for the guy who did the road test review on the STi, you never know.

[Steiner]

This isn't even a contest. My SRT-4 is fast, but I would eat another man's poo if it meant I could have his Viper.

[street_racer_00]

Originally Posted by Steiner

This isn't even a contest. My SRT-4 is fast, but I would eat another man's poo if it meant I could have his Viper.

Too much info, especially right after dinner.

[Steiner]

Originally Posted by street_racer_00

Too much info, especially right after dinner.

You'de do well to eat some poo after all the misfounded SRT-4 hate you've been spewing. I can tell you've never driven one before. My 140fwhp '02 Nissan Spec V had crazy torque steer, but the SRT-4 exhibits very little even though I'm now pushing well over 300hp/320tq at the crank. I also have to laugh at your comment about the interior. No...it's not like sitting inside of an Audi S4, but have you seen the inside of an STi or Evo. It looks pretty bland. At least the SRT-4 has an easy to read boost gauge.

It may be en vogue in other places to rip on the SRT-4, if nothing else for the fan bois that have invaded their forum, but you better bring some real world evidence if you wann do it here. Calling it "wrong-wheel drive", and "just a Neon" is uncreative. Turn the page.

BTW...thanks Layla's Keeper, Polygon, etc for always sticking to facts. It's tough to argue with empirical evidence.

[street_racer_00]

yeah, totally FAIR empirical evidence coming from DODGE drivers...sheesh....not to mention putting words in my mouth. Did I ever say "wrong-wheel drive"? You may want to go back and re-read the discussion before you go pointing fingers. I'm getting kind of sick of the elitist bullshit going on around here.