Clutch engage point..

[joemathews]

Originally Posted by Technical_Automan

I see how it goes here: Every car section is it's own group, and if someone from "another section" comes in and has a disagreement (or misunderstanding in this case), everyone in the section can break all the rules without getting in trouble, and whoever the "outsider" is gets disrespected. Funny but the site rules, that selectively get enforced apparently, seem to go against that sort of thing.

You are talking shit to a guy who has one of the top 100 fastest awd DSMs on the planet, and probably one of the top 30-40 fastest 2g AWDs. Without nitrous. And you question his experience. Knowing these facts, and what Kevin has contributed to this forum is why we stand up for someone who has generously contributed so much time to help others just beginning in the sport.

You are way out of your league, bud. Sure, you can drive the car like a pussy. Buy a fucking Geo if you want to double-clutch all day. If you double clutched all the time...what would the point of having synchros be, smart guy? Whatever college you go/went to, they must not be accredited

Do you know anything about racing? They don't make parts that let you run sub-1.5 second 60' times without breaking after a few runs. Enjoy your life of car maintenance on mini-vans and station wagons. It sounds like you'll really be able to help soccer moms avoid wear and tear on their cars

P.S. Thanks for defining "demeanor" for us in you earlier post. With a genius level vocabularly like that, it's hard to understand what you're saying Actually, I don't really understand "attitude" either, so maybe you could define that as well, Webster.

Oh yea, almost forgot....

[kjewer1]

This is the probably the first time I went off the deep end on this forum. But before you come out with the Doctor Phil bullshit, lets take a look at what really happened.

This was a thread about clutch engagement points. You claimed that the adjustment rod is used to adjust the engagement point after so many miles. False.

I replied with a civil and respectful post correcting the misinformation you are spreading, even admiting that I use it for that once in a while with a smiley face. Then you reply saying that you are "supposed to double clutch." Again, completely false. We've been fighting that myth since F&F came out, WTF.

Then I replied, still within reason. Your next response however was very defensive and attacking my knowledge of these cars. Not the brightest thing you've done since you joined this fine forum. I didn't go to college to learn about cars, I can do that on my own. I work on multimillion dollar machinery in the semiconductor industry for a living, not minivans. Working on cars is just a hobby for me. If you ran 10s or 11s in a car with 3 times the displacement, congratulations. What is your point? I still know more about DSMs than you do obviously, and this IS a DSM forum.

If you meant to say "double clutching may extend synchro life by some amount, but I have not personally tested it and have no hard data that proves the theory," just say it. I think it is your piss poor communication skills that got you into this mess, in adition to posting misinformation and riding my ballbag.

I will not tolerate spreading misinformation. If I have to call a couple FNGs faggots, ball bag swingers, cocksuckers, and pillow biters, I will. DO NOT POST UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Thanks.

[kjewer1]

And don't waste my times with PMs like this:

lol funny thing is ur probably an ugly scrawny pos hick and you're talking shit to me, trying to be cool on a forum...you don't know shit about me and you never will..so keep trying to be cool in front of your "highskool forum friends" it won't bug me at all lol...loser. With your 11 sec integra...oh your really cool, you must make 20 grand a year lol. And I can see you like to talk about sucking dick and cock a lot, i'm not one to accept little faggots, but hey different strokes...trash.

and

I said integra, i meant the much cheaper eclipse sorry. Also I saw your picture on your site, i see now why you're so upset. You drive a cheap 10 year old car, probably have no woman (maybe a boyfriend), and judging from your picture you must be at least 25-30 years old. Pretty much a waste of life if you ask me, grow up. And as far as being in the 15's, i've been in the 10's thanks though. It's called a 350, also been in the 11's w/ a twin-turbo supra. Don't presume anything about anyone, advice that you won't take, but that's what wasting your life does for you.

Wrong on all accounts, as usual. I'm not impressed. Go flirt with someone else, touch hole.

[Technical_Automan]

lol wow joe, you just said everything that I already explained. Please read the posts before jumping ahead and sounding ridiculous. And if you found the definition of demeanor useful, then glad to help.

[Technical_Automan]

As for you 95 GSX, you need to go back and read before you throw a hissy fit...READ THE QUESTION ASKED: How do you change clutch engagement point AT THE PEDAL!!! So I answered. Please go back and read. And some one said that they liked to shift as fast as possible. And I simply said, that's the reason that syncho's break. And then you jumped in and said that was bullshit, but failed to give me the reason that they do break, and pawned it off on normal wear and tear. And now you're getting into even further ignorance to what was said, so i'll discontinue this now and let the mod's handle it. I get the feeling you got abused as a child with all the namecalling, but so you know it doesn't bug me at all . Try to be a reasonable person, I know once you get on the internet you think you can say whatever you want to whoever, but come on, be civil.

[tfoti]

After reading the pm's you sent him, you sound like a hypocrite to me.

[joemathews]

Originally Posted by Technical_Automan

lol wow joe, you just said everything that I already explained. Please read the posts before jumping ahead and sounding ridiculous. And if you found the definition of demeanor useful, then glad to help.

Gee, I cited you defining demeanor, claiming to have gone to college, and insulting Kevin. But you know, I used my psychic powers to come up with that shit, because you're right--again!!! I didn't read any of the posts in this entire thread. In fact, I'm just guessing what people are probably writing, then waiting for a few posts to go by and posting again.

And yes--I did write something you already explained. I had to reiterate (defined: "repeat again", for Einstein the mechanic) your point because you obviously don't undertand its application. You make the intelligent jump and venture to say that you aren't promoting double-clutching all the time, because that would make synchromesh transmissions obsolete. Yet you encouraged people to double-clutch early in the thread, and condemned fast shifting.

You'd probably argue that one should always use only candles for light, because light bulbs might burn out. Or people should walk barefoot, very slowly, because if they wear shoes and jog or run anywhere, the soles will wear out. Most of what you've written in this thread so far is extremely hypocritical, and your attitude toward being questioned and corrected as been less than humble, especially when you are a guest in a forum with established members who want nothing but to respect eager auto enthusiasts, and be respected back.

It would be nice if the sharing of accurate and useful information could go on, instead of bullshit bickering like this, and opinionated responses represented as fact, like you posted earlier.

Oh, and anther part of a post I didn't read in this thread:

Originally Posted by Technical_Automan

have fun kids I won't be back.

Whatever happened to this resolution? You won't be missed.

[spyderturbo007]

Originally Posted by Technical_Automan

omfg, dude here i'll explain it to you from my professional training instead of your random hearsay. The reason you double clutch is to allow the synchro to catch up to the speed of the input shaft so that it can mesh to the gear with no resistance. Please explain to me how that is bullshit, and take heed to your own sig. And after you give me ur wrong answer for that, tell me how a synchro goes bad then. Because if it's not caused by quick shifting then what is it caused by? Cuz in your statement, a synchromesh trans's syncho can't go bad. Thanks again.

I am by no means a transmission expert, but with a little research one can easily determine that you are blowing smoke.

Here are the reasons and appropriate times to double clutch:

Double-clutching was common in older cars and is still common in some modern race cars. In double-clutching, you first push the clutch pedal in once to disengage the engine from the transmission. This takes the pressure off the dog teeth so you can move the collar into neutral. Then you release the clutch pedal and rev the engine to the "right speed." The right speed is the rpm value at which the engine should be running in the next gear. The idea is to get the blue gear of the next gear and the collar rotating at the same speed so that the dog teeth can engage. Then you push the clutch pedal in again and lock the collar into the new gear. At every gear change you have to press and release the clutch twice, hence the name "double-clutching."

Here is why there is NO REASON to double clutch with a syncromesh transmission:

Manual transmissions in modern passenger cars use synchronizers to eliminate the need for double-clutching. A synchro's purpose is to allow the collar and the gear to make frictional contact before the dog teeth make contact. This lets the collar and the gear synchronize their speeds before the teeth need to engage.

Notice the word "eliminate" in the above statement. Since you seem to have problems with definitions here you go:

e·lim·i·nate: To get rid of; remove

In closing (now that I have officially wiped the floor with your face), You should probably consider trying to get a refund on your "Professional Training".

[YogsVR4]

After reading the thread, I don't get the sense that anyone is saying that you must double clutch. One post came close and a few people here acted like their mother was raped.


The last post is quoting http://www.howstuffworks.com/transmission4.htm

It says that double clutching is not necessary - it does not say there was no benefit to it. It will extend the live of the syncros if you do it. Sure its not a lot, but there is some.


The name calling ends now. If people can't disagree without taking potshots at other members, then perhaps you should take the advice of several members, who should heed their own advice, and shut the fuck up













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