synthetic blend VS. good quality regular oil?

[vtmecheng]

thanks blazerLT

[BlazerLT]

No problem.

so much knowledge at that site it is literally intoxicating.

[lapspec]

Although synthetic blends could offer some benefits over conventional oil there is no way to tell how much synthetic is blended in. It could be only 5% of the motor oil I highly recommend switching to the full synthetic this can be done at any time. If you have higher mileage I would also recommend flushing your engine with a product like Amsoils engine flush that way it will be cleaned out good for the new oil and you wont have to worry about clogging your oil filter.
George
www.synthetic-lubricants.com

[xtrememeasures10]

I dont care what anyone says, synthetics do not cause leaks. However if you already have a leak they will make it show up. I switched to Valvoline Synpower Full Synthetic at 90k and i will never put anything else in my truck. The thing about standard motoroils you have to worry about is they will loose there viscosity at around 2,000 miles. inother words they will begin turning into a gel like consistancy. this gel like oil will find its way into crevices and stay there. Thus when you pour in a synthetic, it has a cleaning agent. It will clean out these crevices with gel oil in them. then you will have exposed leaks. I suggest Cleaning off your engine with a degreaser and checking for any oil leaking out of the engine before using synthetics. And in response to royal purple products, I have seen substaincial horsepower gains 10 to 15 hp just from switching fluids. but not everyone wants to spend an arm an a leg on there fluids. My favorite oils are Valvoline oils and Mobil. There more expensive than pennzoil and quakerstate but theres a reason you can get 5 quarts of penzzoil for 5 bucks lol.

[BlazerLT]

1.) Royal Purple is a scam. It is not a true synthetic. All marketing hype.

2.) You Valvoline is also not a true Synthetic. It is a hydrocracked conventional.

Only true PAO synthetics are Mobil 1, Redline and Amsoil. The rest are made from a petrolium based hydrocracked basestocks.

[vtmecheng]

BlazerLT:
I have been doing heavy research on motor oil over the past few weeks and learned a lot. While you are right that Mobil, Amsoil, and a couple others are the only ones to start their Synthetics in a lab, it doesn't make theirs superior. It is just how they start their manufacturing process and has little bearing on how they actually perform. Also, many oil companies will not publicly disclose their API test results. So how does Amsoil get the numbers on their website? That is a good question because it isn't from the ANSI created API required tests, I checked with every company. The only company willing to give almost all test data was Valvoline (I wonder what everyone else is trying to hide). Last, you really can't believe what is on the Internet for synthetic oils for one reason, most everything is in some way connected to Amsoil. They have saturated the internet, even making websites without their company name (the authers names are identical to those in the Amsoil websites).

[sdime]

Originally Posted by BlazerLT

1.) Royal Purple is a scam. It is not a true synthetic. All marketing hype.

2.) You Valvoline is also not a true Synthetic. It is a hydrocracked conventional.

Only true PAO synthetics are Mobil 1, Redline and Amsoil. The rest are made from a petrolium based hydrocracked basestocks.

What you mean royal purple is not a true sythetic?

[vtmecheng]

I just found the best motor oil article. It is a test run by Consumer Reports and you can read it without being a member at the following site:
http://www.xs11.com/stories/croil96.htm
This is a real CR test and really seems to go against a lot of what we think, or want to think, about motor oil. While some gaps in their testing exist, like the constant cold starts of normal driving, the test results are great.

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by sdime

What you mean royal purple is not a true sythetic?

Ryal Purple is a Group 3 synthetic which has a hydrocracked conventioanal oil basestock.

Amsoil, Redline and Mobil 1 all use a 100% synthetic PAO basestock which is not derived from normal oil from the ground.

PAO basestocks are superior to hydrocracked conventioanal basestocks.

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by vtmecheng

BlazerLT:
I have been doing heavy research on motor oil over the past few weeks and learned a lot. While you are right that Mobil, Amsoil, and a couple others are the only ones to start their Synthetics in a lab, it doesn't make theirs superior. It is just how they start their manufacturing process and has little bearing on how they actually perform. Also, many oil companies will not publicly disclose their API test results. So how does Amsoil get the numbers on their website? That is a good question because it isn't from the ANSI created API required tests, I checked with every company. The only company willing to give almost all test data was Valvoline (I wonder what everyone else is trying to hide). Last, you really can't believe what is on the Internet for synthetic oils for one reason, most everything is in some way connected to Amsoil. They have saturated the internet, even making websites without their company name (the authers names are identical to those in the Amsoil websites).

That is because the API standard is controlled by the oil industry.

Amsoil is against the oil industry's testing methods and corrupt business practises 9aka the bullshit 3000mile oil change).

[vtmecheng]

So what you are telling me is that the numbers posted on the Amsoil website are in house tests with no way to be sure of the methods used. Actually oils are not tested by API, it is only a regulatory body. They determine what tests have to be conducted and the scores required to pass for a particular grade. The tests are regulated by ASTM, ex. Viscosity Index: ASTM D-2270, and conducted by separate companies. Again, all API does is set the standards and make sure no one cheats. If Amsoil is conducting their own tests then be careful of these results, it is easy to make a test come out how you want.

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by vtmecheng

So what you are telling me is that the numbers posted on the Amsoil website are in house tests with no way to be sure of the methods used. Actually oils are not tested by API, it is only a regulatory body. They determine what tests have to be conducted and the scores required to pass for a particular grade. The tests are regulated by ASTM, ex. Viscosity Index: ASTM D-2270, and conducted by separate companies. Again, all API does is set the standards and make sure no one cheats. If Amsoil is conducting their own tests then be careful of these results, it is easy to make a test come out how you want.

Enough of the conspiracy theories.

Amsoil is an excellent oil with excellent results. They have been in the business since the 70s and are regarded as the best synthetic oil maker for a reason.

Go to http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php and see for yourself. Some people have done their own tests through labs and Amsoil has come out with flying colors.

I still stand by the fact that most synthetic oils out there are bogus and are just ultra refined conventional motor oils.

[vtmecheng]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I am just a big believer that companies can't be trusted, this includes Amsoil. Maybe one day I will have the means to conduct my own tests but untill then I am not paying that much for oil.

[BlazerLT]

But what about the companies pawning off their altered conventioanl oil as synthetic.

I think that is worse than anything if anything Amsoil has done.

[vtmecheng]

Its not like the companies are pouring the same stuff in their synthetic bottles as in the mineral based bottles. While there are some companies that used hydrocracking to making their synthetics, these are still superiour to the regular stuff. If you look at Valvolin's synthetic test numbers, they give out their API results, there isn't much of a difference from Mobil 1. BTW, did you read that artical from consumer reports I linked on here?