American or Import

[JekylandHyde]

... just as another aside.

2 weeks ago I was at an open track at Island Dragway.
There was an older fellow there in a 68/69 Camaro talking to guy in a newer Vette. The Camaro guy was really excited because he trying for his first 11 sec pass.

As it turned out, I raced him next.
Mind you, I had just run 3 back-to-back 11.9s.
He nodded very friendly-like before we rolled up for our burnouts.

As it turned out, I botched my launched and to compound matters I missed 2nd gear .... he destroyed me off the line.

Knowing how fast my car is, and seeing him tear down the track I was sure he got his 11.
I was genuinely happy for him ... as it turned out I went 12.4 and he went 12.02!

We pulled into the pits together and talked about the run. He was really a nice guy and he thought for sure I was going ot take him before we rolled up.

Such is life.

None of this import vs domestic angst.
Just two cool guys enjoying their cars.

[Zgringo]

Mr. JekylandHyde know watcha mean. Been there a million times. On the green you never know and hope for the best, and pray that the Drag racing God would allow you a pass just 1 second faster than before.

[amean94ta]

Originally Posted by Silver_GTR34

DSM
Mods/Money (average..cough cough, prices may be a little off)
Evo3 Turbo: $500
3.5" catback: $250
Boost Controller: $75
Fuel Injectors: $300
Fuel Regulators: $500
man...$5000..i already used 1600 bucks used...
AEM adjustable cam gears: $350
High Performance Radiator: $200
Forged Pistons: $1500
Metal Head Gasket: $450
Port & Polished Turbo Kit: $500

and i think ill be runnin at least mid-11s with street tires...i think!

thats great but how many times can they do it before they break?
i do know what i am talking about also i have 13 friends in dsm junkies and attend the dsm show at thompsons with them every year we built my one friends to run 10.80's for 40k but he blows them up every 30 passes or so

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by amean94ta

thats great but how many times can they do it before they break?
i do know what i am talking about also i have 13 friends in dsm junkies and attend the dsm show at thompsons with them every year we built my one friends to run 10.80's for 40k but he blows them up every 30 passes or so

Time for your friend to take a close look at his engine building. 40k for 30 runs is $1,333 a trip down the 1/4. Kinda pricy when you consider lot's of us run the entire season and no break.

Mr.J&K, I love your statement: "None of this import vs domestic angst.
Just two cool guys enjoying their cars."

This is what automobile's is about. The smell of nitro burning, bellows of smoke in the burn out boxes, the high pitch scream of a high reving import engine, the thundering bass of a mountian motor, cars clawing at the sky in wheelies shifts so quick, you can only tell by the change in the engine's sound, then the quite, waiting and wondering who won.
No matter what brand we drive, have the same desire, and that's to win, beat that SOB next to us, and pray to the Racing God that for just one moment in time our engine makes a magical extra 100HP, our tires hook-up like never before, our shifts are perfect and we turn 1/10 second faster than we've ever turned before.
We just want that one moment in time when are cars and us are better than we though they could ever be.
"Just two cool guys enjoying their cars."

Albert

[King Cuda]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

How about a 1970 dodge Dart 2dr with a 440? I think you could build that for under 5K.

Exactly, your post seems to be the only logical one too considering the 5 grand limit.

America rules.

[Hypsi87]

87 Buick turbo-T. that car with k in it would anhilate all of the cars posted in this thread (except for the weird grammerd 454 with cams and bblowers and what not )

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by 86MonteSS

ok.......Pick a basic american and import car......no skylines or vippers i mean every day joe car civics to eclipse.....mustange to camaro any year......now you only have 5k u can buy any mod you want....at the track who would win......... be realistic.....nos a stock honda wont run 12s

i usually dont venture into this forum because im not a huge drag fan. However. you obviously are biast towards domestic. comparin a FWD made for economy 1.6l civic up agianst a made for performance RWD 5.0l Mustang or Comaro the Mustang or Comaro is obviously going to win on such a short budget. when yo uget itno the 15,000 for both your allow for Modifications such as internals and forced induction. and seriously, who is going to have a 5k budget on a honda and spend a large portion of it on performance. However, if you would liek o play these games.

3rd Gen RX-7 Turbo II
Conversion From Sequincial Turbo's to A single Turbo: 2,300
Boost Controller: 120
LSD: 1,100
550CC primary injectors: 350
380CC Secondary Injectors: 290
Fule Rail: 100
Fule Pump: 120
Manual Fule pressure regulator: 80
ECU Performance Programer: 530
Total: 4990

mid-high 300's to the wheels maybe low 400's on full boost and fule pressure to the wheels. on a car that weighs mid-low 2,000's that is pretty quick. easily into the 12's or lower.

or you could do like Redneck383 did.
Datsun 240Z
SR20DET: 3,000-4,500
boost controller: 120

and it will be fast.

or

For a single run?

CRX
Guting it: $0
Engine Rebuild: $500
100 shot of Nitros: $600
2gal 90% Nitro-Methane: $50
Oxygen Injection: $400
WI: $900
ECU modified to let as much fule as needed: $1200
Clutch Made by gods hand to hold this thing togather for at least 1/8 mile: well say $700
Fire Resistany Suit: $150

Crank it on the pre stage and get it going for the first 1/8 mile and coast the rest of the the way after the pistons weld to the cylender walls and the heads blow off through the hood.

[HighOctaneNOSUser]

Actually, Skyline should be included. Because you can get an R34 GTR used in fair condition for 20k in Japan. A new civic is about the same, maybe less.

Anyway, I am going against you. Skyline R34 GTR.
HKS T51R SPL - 1000 PS Output - 4500
Intercooler

12's or 11s....

[86MonteSS]

Cb fryman...........yes i am a an american car fan...and i would say a muscle car would win over an import.....the point of this was to have a budget that would be average....not everyone has 20k to spend on there ride.....but import tuners are pretty smart in what the do....im basic give be a big block and a carb and im happy.....i know nothin about turbos or fuel injection rides.....and even with 15k to spend i going to say the american car would win.....there is no replacement for deplacement......you can turbo a v8 just the same as any 4 or 6....take the 4 wheel drive 04 chevy 1/2 ton truck in hot rod mag......he put a turbo on it with 75 shot of no2 and ran a 10.90.......all i wanted to do is hear other ppls views and ideas.......o yea jackleandhyde......my buddys drag car has a 350 in it the motor had over 180k miles on it when it was first built for drag....the car has been racing for over 7 years same motor never blown has turned 7500 rpm on a stock crank and rods....runs low 11s....so i think a v8 could hang

[JekylandHyde]

86MonteSS, cool to hear about your friend's ride.
What kind of car is it and what work did he do to get his 350 into the low 11s?

What did he do to prepare a 350 for 7500 rpms?

[chevytrucks92]

Originally Posted by JekylandHyde

What did he do to prepare a 350 for 7500 rpms?

Well, it doesn't take nearly as much as you might think. In fact, we ran a 406 for two years on a stock cast iron crank (that had been turned .020) and stock 5.4 inch rods, chipping it at 7000 rpms.

Now of course we didnt know at the time it was on stock internals (minus pistons, they were 12.5:1), but nevertheless, that was one stout running engine, and it held together. We just took it to an engine shop to get it overhauled (new rings, bearings, check rods, crank,and pistons), and the owner informed us of what we had, lol. That engine was supposed to be steel crank and rods, and it was bought complete, so we didnt know it didn't have this stuff, lol.

Anyways, a 350 can stand more then a 400 (rpm wise), so it could be possible to turn one at 7500 rpms on stock internals and common to do so with a built engine, but it wouldn't be something I would feel comfortable doing, espeically if it has a good set of heads (which it must to run 11s, unless of course its in a very light weight vehicle).

We have a friend who did race, and he also had a 406 (built), and he chipped his at 8000 rpms. Now he did have some really good luck; he ran the same engine for something like 2 seasons without changing the oil, lol. The ironic thing is, when he did change it, we went to a 1/8th mile track in Clay City, KY, and he blew it up that weekend attempting to run a 1/4 mile pass. He held it the entire 1/4 but blew it up, and the bad thing is, he never got a 1/4 time becuase the track officials didn't have the timing equipment set for the 1/4 (bracket cars don't run the 1/4 at this track, only trophy).

He don't race anymore (sold his car this season I think), but he raced all of last year, and a couple races this season (mostly at 1/8th tracks) and he ran a 406 and chipped it at 8000 rpms, and in the water box, it stayed on 8000 rpms. Now this engine was far from stock, but my point is, its not that hard to get a SBC to turn high rpms. My uncle has a 302 SBC in his race car, and we chip it at 7400 rpms, and in the water box, it too stays on the 7400 rpm chip, and of course the one I drive with the 406 (now with steel crank and rods) gets chipped at 7000 rpms.

[86MonteSS]

your pretty close chevytruck.....the ride is an '85 regal......4.56 rear end....12.5:1 pistons...500 solid cam...96 gm late model vortec heads w/ 2.02 valves and shaved to 58cc...car is at 2500 pounds...hitting 7500 the few times it as was by mistake car didnt have front brakes so he would do a rolling burn out and just got away from him with the rpms....he does cross the line at 7000....but the rods and crank are stock...the rpms at the end of the track well be a little higher next season since he just got a ford 9 inch with 4.71 gear...low 11s has broken the tiny 7.5 10 bolt 4 times an axel on both sides until he got stronger ones and then he striped the teeth of the ring and pinion gear twice....fastest e.t. 11.04 @ 120mph

[nova68]

for 5 k you can build a screaming stroker motor to put in and old pos muscle car

[chevytrucks92]

Originally Posted by 86MonteSS

your pretty close chevytruck.....the ride is an '85 regal......4.56 rear end....12.5:1 pistons...500 solid cam...96 gm late model vortec heads w/ 2.02 valves and shaved to 58cc...car is at 2500 pounds...hitting 7500 the few times it as was by mistake car didnt have front brakes so he would do a rolling burn out and just got away from him with the rpms....he does cross the line at 7000....but the rods and crank are stock...the rpms at the end of the track well be a little higher next season since he just got a ford 9 inch with 4.71 gear...low 11s has broken the tiny 7.5 10 bolt 4 times an axel on both sides until he got stronger ones and then he striped the teeth of the ring and pinion gear twice....fastest e.t. 11.04 @ 120mph

I see. You should suggest to your friend to change valve springs on his engine before running it again. Valve springs are the cause of major engine failure most of the time, lol, and they really are a relatively inexpensive fix (K-Motion, the best springs, are like $300 or so).

Anyways, good luck with it.

[86MonteSS]

not sure what kinda springs are on it....the heads were bought how they are....they came off an 1/8 mile dragster.....they have been ran for 3 seasons on his car..... unknown how long on the dragster