Definitive military position on WMD

[Flatrater]

[quote=taranaki]I'll clarify.

The murderer who currently occupies the White House.
The war criminal in the Oval office

The spineless deserter who allowed 1000 marines to die in Iraq and says that had he known then what he knows now,he'd have still done it.
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I looked all over the internet all day long looking for pics or some facts showing dead bodies at the White House and I came up empty handed. So if you have some proof that Bush personally killed someone let us have the facts.

A war criminal thats your opnion and you are entitled to it wrong as it is.

I believe Yogs posted a pic of Bush's spine today so the facts are against you again.

[TRD2000]

anyone got any pics of hitler personally killing anyone?

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

Only US contractors.

More misinformation!

BTW the US is footing the bill and as such has the right to award the contracts to whomever they see fit.

"The Defense Department does not provide the number of contractors working in Iraq, nor does it tally their fatalities.

But Stan Soloway, president of the Professional Services Council, said that member firms of the Arlington trade group have 25,000 to 30,000 contractors in Iraq, counting Americans, foreign nationals and Iraqis who are performing work. "

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3676856.stm

"At present, there are 60 UK-based companies working in Iraq, working on contracts worth a total of $2.6bn." With this link it disproves your statement.

[codycool]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

anyone got any pics of hitler personally killing anyone?

Yes, use an evil dictator that killed millions to compare to a man who removed an evil dictator! If i remember correctly WMD's wasn't the only reason we liberated Iraq. Their were Alqueda connections in Iraq, the 9/11 commision proved that, Sadaam did break UN resolutions about 18 times, and the UN told Iraq that if they did it again their would be serious consequences. Maybe the UN thought serious consequences ment more money from the oil for food program. The U.S. sees it as an ass whoopin!

[TRD2000]

mmmm.. arrogant immaturity. nicely done cody, we should all be afraid right?

sorry flatrater, but historically iraq has paid its bills, with oil, in fact they had almost paid off the reparations from the last war, can't have that! what may be paid for by the US now WILL ultimately be paid for by iraq, rightly so, it's their country, unfortunately had the US decided not to blow everything up they may not have needed to build it all again... just an idea. So the US created the work to do.

WOW theres 2.6 billion given to UK contractors... usually subcontracted from the primary US contractors, but hang on, weren't the UK in there as well? you'll also find Australian contractors, but they went too... the major contracts were still awarded in a closed tender process and they total a LOT more than 2.6 billion.

now... you were aying about misinformation? we've done this over and over... misinformation is lying about WMD stockpiles and terrorist links when BOTH have been admitted to be false information now.

[TRD2000]

wow guess you're right! Bush did create new jobs for americans!

see.... i can aknowlege the truth!

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

sorry flatrater, but historically iraq has paid its bills, with oil, in fact they had almost paid off the reparations from the last war, can't have that! what may be paid for by the US now WILL ultimately be paid for by iraq, rightly so, it's their country, unfortunately had the US decided not to blow everything up they may not have needed to build it all again... just an idea. So the US created the work to do.

WOW theres 2.6 billion given to UK contractors... usually subcontracted from the primary US contractors, but hang on, weren't the UK in there as well? you'll also find Australian contractors, but they went too... the major contracts were still awarded in a closed tender process and they total a LOT more than 2.6 billion.

now... you were aying about misinformation? we've done this over and over... misinformation is lying about WMD stockpiles and terrorist links when BOTH have been admitted to be false information now.

Do you have any proof on Iraq paying off their reparations? Please offer them to me.

I don't see Iraq ever paying the US back the money that was spent.

Everything wasn't blown up.

Now you said only the US companies are in Iraq making money yet I provided a link which shows British companies in Iraq. You have no proof that these British companies are subcontracted thru US companies.

Now onto the misinformation. It doesn't have to be a lie to be misinformation for example look at Michael Moore's BS flim. You can take a statement and spin it into something that it wasn't, not really a lie but not the truth. Our US elections are full of misinformation, our debates were full of misinformation. If 50% of the world stated Saddam had WMD and 50% stated he didn't have them one side is wrong but it isn't necessarirly a lie until one side is proven to be a fact and we have yet to finish in Iraq.

[TRD2000]

i've done that before... you just seem to be unable to read. your own heros have come out and said they were wrong... admit it yourself!

[codycool]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

mmmm.. arrogant immaturity. nicely done cody, we should all be afraid right?

.

Just stating my opinion, not trying to change yours.

[TRD2000]

i know, but the fact is the US has killed millions of civilians too. In countries that the US threatens THEY are seen as the terrorists. It's all a matter of perspective.

[YogsVR4]

You have an unusual definition of terrorist. Are you suggesting that anybody that is considered an enemy is a terrorist?

So, during WWII
Germans were terrorists to the Polish.
The English were terrorists to Italians.
Koreans were terrorists to the Japenese.
Americans were terrorists to the Germans.

The list goes on, but having an advesary that you don't like (or worse) does not make them a terrorist.

[TRD2000]

no i'm not, although it seems to be a modern catch phrase.

haven't you seen anything portraying the US as terrorists? any time you threaten someone it essentially makes you a terrorist, especially if you are known to be able to act on that threat.

if killing civilians to try and impart fear makes you a terrorist then a LOT of countries could be classed as terrorists. It has become a part of modern warfare, i dont see how firebombing cities with B-52's is any different to getting on a bus strapped with c4, if you are targetting civilians to impart fear and try and get an enemy to change policies then you are a terrorist.

now i realise that the US could do worse than firebombing, they have already proved that they will use WMD, (i'm not saying they will again) but they are not threatening to use them again.

The US can be seen as terrorists for continually becoming involved in the politics and policies of other nations, (including their allies) for scaremongering or directly threatening those countries if they dont do what they are told or what is suggested. There is a fine line between diplomacy and terrorism.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by codycool

Just stating my opinion, not trying to change yours.

But your opinion is based on lies.

1.Saddam is known for killing his people, that is true. Bush is responsible for sending soldiers from America and coalition countries to their deaths over a unjustified war, not to mention the civlians who have been beheaded....oh, and the iraqi civilians that were apart of the collateral damage We can even say that he indirectly could have caused the suicide of some because of the amount of job loses in America. Does Bush still look like a saint to you?
2.Maybe your not up in times with the news, but the American Secretary Of Defence (Donald Rumsfield) admitted that there were no hard evidence that linked Saddam to Al-Qaeda.

[TRD2000]

i just think cody hadn't looked at it from the other side of the apache.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

i just think cody hadn't looked at it from the other side of the apache.

More like Bush's pile of bullshit is blocking his view on the truth