Best way to glue dash pad back down?

[Corkscrew]

eckoman_pdx, thanks again. I don't guess you send me a pint of that glue?

I have pics of the dash in this gallery:
http://img78.exs.cx/gal.php?g=corner11iv.jpg
The only parts I need to glue are on the front edge of the dash in the left(right in the pics) corner and in the middle.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by Corkscrew

eckoman_pdx, thanks again. I don't guess you send me a pint of that glue?

I have pics of the dash in this gallery:
http://img78.exs.cx/gal.php?g=corner11iv.jpg
The only parts I need to glue are on the front edge of the dash in the left(right in the pics) corner and in the middle.

It would definatly work in gluing those spots of the dash down, no question about it.

Send you a pint huh? Can't find it and don't want to order a gallon? I'd have to see if you can even ship it UPS first, I beilive Perfect-Fit ships the contact cement via freight and not UPS, and I'm pretty sure if they do there's a reason as to why.

[dice daniels]

contact cement doesnt take to heat well and doesnt stick to plastic well enough to glue something that is trying to pull back up again.

Gorilla glue is a good idea and fiberglass resin would work too.so would epoxy or even liquid nails in some cases. But on anything in the interior you need to use heat resistant glues or shit just falls apart in the summer.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by dice daniels

contact cement doesnt take to heat well and doesnt stick to plastic well enough to glue something that is trying to pull back up again.

Gorilla glue is a good idea and fiberglass resin would work too.so would epoxy or even liquid nails in some cases. But on anything in the interior you need to use heat resistant glues or shit just falls apart in the summer.

This stuff I recommended is professional spray grade HHR Landua Top and Trim adhsive...it has a very high heat resistance of over 235 degrees, I think it's around 250...it's not crap like spray can 3M Super 77 or High Strength 90, or even the DAP spray can that's so easily available (which sucks on plastics). I didn't recommend the crap, I went straight to the HHR stuff that would more than hold. This stuff will hold on almost any surface, plastic, wood, door panel, headliner, landau top, floor board...doesn't matter and when it's on, it's on, so get it right the first time. Thats what we use @ the shop out of the glue pot. It's also what I used to wrap all the panels, the headliner, the pillers, etc in my own car (makes sense I'd use it since it's what we use, hahaha) and I've never had a delaminating problem in my or another car.

The DAP Weldwood HHR DAP WELDWOOD TOP & TRIM ADHESIVE (high solids) isn't some POS contact cement like ppl think when they hear the term. This is very very good stuff,a nd this is what it's made for. It has one of the highest heat resistances I've seen.

True, you need to use heat reistant glues, that why I suggested this stuff. It was a very high heat resistance, as I mentioned above and before. It's not low resistance "contact crap" like I see so many people using in DIY projecots. This is the stuff we use @ the uphostery shop, and as I said above it has a very high heat resistance.

http://www.perfectfit.com/products/shopexd.asp?id=220

Now I've heard of Gorrilla glue and Liquid Nails before but never used them so I can't say a thing about them. As I said, this stuff is HHR and has a very high heat resistant...never had issue with it delaminating. As you said, you need a product with high heat resistance, and that is exactly what this has. It's made to withstand the hot summer heat on landua tops and more, so it'll handle heat. Corkscrew, if you can't find it or get any though, I suppose you can try his suggestions if you can find them...I can't say if they'll work or not though...but if they don't work I guess that puts you right back in the situation you are in at worst, lol.

[dice daniels]

Well seince its trim adheisive Its probably nice and flexable which is a bonus. I'll have to check it out. I made the mistake of using 3M's crap for a few projects and I would'nt recomend it to anyone for anything. It holds about as good as hairspray would. The only adheisive I have ever liked came in a tweed kit for door panels. Rod doors was the company that sold it. Have'nt been able to find it anywhere else though. I'm betting its the same stuff only different lable. Dries in like 20 seconds and wont let go. Good link. Thanks!!!

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by dice daniels

Well seince its trim adheisive Its probably nice and flexable which is a bonus. I'll have to check it out. I made the mistake of using 3M's crap for a few projects and I would'nt recomend it to anyone for anything. It holds about as good as hairspray would. The only adheisive I have ever liked came in a tweed kit for door panels. Rod doors was the company that sold it. Have'nt been able to find it anywhere else though. I'm betting its the same stuff only different lable. Dries in like 20 seconds and wont let go. Good link. Thanks!!!

Dries quick and won't let go...sounds nice...LOL...the DAP is very good. ZTacks quickly and stays on...doesn't let go. #M..oh man....it's CRAP compared to this stuff...I mean seriosuly...I made the mistake once of not keeping a spare quart @ home. I brought a jar home from the shop but spilled it half-way through the night and ran out @ like 6am the morning of a car show I was tro be in. I had to buy this 3m Hi-Strenght 90 crap from a local paint shop that was open from 8:30-1 on saturdays...since it was a saturday. If it had been the week I could have gone to the uphostery shop and just poured a little more...but we are closed on saturdays...so was the supplier, so I was screwed. The 3m worked (of sorts) for the show...but man...absolute crap..especially buy comparison. I got finished @ like 10:30am and got to the show 15 minutes before it started...they held the doors open for me....hahaha...last time I ever didn't keep a spare quart lying around the house on top of the one I'm using.

[dice daniels]

Have you ever tried gluing a headliner on with that 3m crap? They should be out of buisness by now if you ask me. And they ask like 9-11 bucks a can for their "high strength" crap that wouldnt glue a feather to the floor.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by dice daniels

Have you ever tried gluing a headliner on with that 3m crap? They should be out of buisness by now if you ask me. And they ask like 9-11 bucks a can for their "high strength" crap that wouldnt glue a feather to the floor.

I nevee tired gluing a headliner with that crap. IO've glued geadliners fine with the DAP stuff. After how bad the 3M was for 1 door panel insert...I'd never try using it on anything else. You said it well...absolute crap...it's amazing they still have people who buy it. And 3 claims it will work for headliners....HA...what a a joke...You know the scary thing...It's some of their BETTER stuff...hahaha...have you ever tired Super 77? I have never used it but a long time ago before I learned uphostery I had a friend who did...now THAT was crap!!!

[dice daniels]

Before I got into upholstry I thought I understood the concept well enough to fix a friends headliner. We went out and picked up some nice material and I grabbed a can of the high strength stuff all the while acting like I knew what I was doing just so that he would let me fix it. It was killing my eyes to look at it let alone the heat rotted foam that flew around in the car when the windows were down. We scraped all the foam off the headliner and just glued the material directly to the headliner without padding. It looked great. We used some of the realy soft animal printed material you can get at any walmart. Kinda like the blankets you can but at those little parkinglot stores that come through town in the summers. Anyway It lasted all day And I got all kinds of compliments from my friend. The next day he went out and the material was pretty much hanging on by the edges that were tucked under. He was pissed. I finaly did what I should have done originaly and went to an upholstry shop and picked up some scrim and some good adheisive. The kind they used had to be put on with a brush. And to make it even more secure I paid to have some buttons made with the scrap material and spaced them in a dimond patern. That's actualy the job that got me into upholstry. That week I went to work at the same shop pulling staples and by the end of the month I was doing automotive interiors. I ended up doing the center panels on his seats and the dash and rear deck out of the same material. It looks like a pimp mobile but it was good practice. Anyway I talk too much. 3M sucks ass.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by dice daniels

Before I got into upholstry I thought I understood the concept well enough to fix a friends headliner. We went out and picked up some nice material and I grabbed a can of the high strength stuff all the while acting like I knew what I was doing just so that he would let me fix it. It was killing my eyes to look at it let alone the heat rotted foam that flew around in the car when the windows were down. We scraped all the foam off the headliner and just glued the material directly to the headliner without padding. It looked great. We used some of the realy soft animal printed material you can get at any walmart. Kinda like the blankets you can but at those little parkinglot stores that come through town in the summers. Anyway It lasted all day And I got all kinds of compliments from my friend. The next day he went out and the material was pretty much hanging on by the edges that were tucked under. He was pissed. I finaly did what I should have done originaly and went to an upholstry shop and picked up some scrim and some good adheisive. The kind they used had to be put on with a brush. And to make it even more secure I paid to have some buttons made with the scrap material and spaced them in a dimond patern. That's actualy the job that got me into upholstry. That week I went to work at the same shop pulling staples and by the end of the month I was doing automotive interiors. I ended up doing the center panels on his seats and the dash and rear deck out of the same material. It looks like a pimp mobile but it was good practice. Anyway I talk too much. 3M sucks ass.

Ahh, one can never talk too much!!! It's always good to share stories and swap ideas, pics of projecots, etc......helps give new ideas and prevent future disasters like using that 3M would cause!!! I got my uphostery job by calling around ay back when and asking if someone would be willing to train me as an apprentice. I knew the basicas already on how to do most of the this, and new several wholesalers in the area and a godd deal about what products to use..I just needed practical application time and skill...so Darryl was more than willing to take me in and train me as an apprentice...I still thank him to this day...I can't repay him enough!!! He didn't have to do that back in the day.

[dice daniels]

Yea well dont give me too much room to talk cus I can write a book.

Yea it was pretty much the same way how I got started. I brought the car in and showed it to the lady who owned the shop and she put me to work. She was retired and had another guy running the shop for her. She was the shit!!! I've still got alot to learn but she showed me how to teach myself. I learned alot of cool things from her(frankie) and (bill). I owe them alot more than thanks.

Since then I have moved away, and It's hard to find that one shop that I will feel comfortable in. I have no machine cus of the cash flow problem so I have to find other work until I find a shop that I can be myself in. I have some peircings that tend to make some of the shop owners sceptical of my talents. But upholstry is an art, and most artists are very interesting or flat out luney people. Or just realy old I have found. It is the one trade that I have natural talent in. And I hope to get into the buisness again soon.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by dice daniels

Yea well dont give me too much room to talk cus I can write a book.

Yea it was pretty much the same way how I got started. I brought the car in and showed it to the lady who owned the shop and she put me to work. She was retired and had another guy running the shop for her. She was the shit!!! I've still got alot to learn but she showed me how to teach myself. I learned alot of cool things from her(frankie) and (bill). I owe them alot more than thanks.

Since then I have moved away, and It's hard to find that one shop that I will feel comfortable in. I have no machine cus of the cash flow problem so I have to find other work until I find a shop that I can be myself in. I have some peircings that tend to make some of the shop owners sceptical of my talents. But upholstry is an art, and most artists are very interesting or flat out luney people. Or just realy old I have found. It is the one trade that I have natural talent in. And I hope to get into the buisness again soon.

Hahaha...I can write a book too...in fact several of my posts have been referred to as "eckoman's books" over the years. Hopefully you can find a shop to work @ soon or hopefully you'll be able to afford afford your own machine.

[dice daniels]

Hey thanks man. You seem like a pretty cool cat.

By the way how are people adding pics to their posts? I cant figure it out for the life of me

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by dice daniels

Hey thanks man. You seem like a pretty cool cat.

By the way how are people adding pics to their posts? I cant figure it out for the life of me

Thanks man...you seem pretty cool too.

As for the pics, you first have to host it somewhere onthe web...photobuck, here inthe AF Gallery, etc...Once the picture it hosted somewhere, you put the link to the pics in the thread with {IMG} before the link and {/IMG}


Replace the above { and } marks with [ and ] though...I used the wrong makes on purpose so it would show and not try to link up with the pic...

so if you'd do something like this, as explained above...the picture will show...

{img}http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/70393Novasuede_wrapped_seats.JPG{/img}

however, you'd replace all the { and } marks with [ and ]...as I said before. Once that's done...it will link up and post the picture in your post like follows...it's a pic of a seat I re-wrapped in Novasuede...headrest isn't in the pic though.



I hope this little explanation helped.

[dice daniels]

Hey thanx man. Good lookin bucket. Wish I had the money to use nova sued in my van. That stuff is pricy. Realy does feel like sued leather though. Fools alot of people. If I remember right there is some stuff out there called ultra sued that is just like it only a little less exspensive. You do some clean work. If thats burgandy down the center It would match my van nicely