How well does this electric waxer/polisher perform?

[sg2278]

So are these pads the best pads that you would suggest using?

[f1guy68]

sq2278,

I have used these pads for a short time...about 6 months, and they have been the best that I have used thus far! They hold up well and the velcro backing is pretty strong and the pads clean easy.

I used to use the Meguiar's Pads, and while they were good as well, they did not last as long as these pads!

The pads I suggested are made by Lake Country. Very Nice Pads! The Orange Is for Cutting, the White for Polishing and the Grey is for Waxes/Sealents.

If you but Meguiar's, the Maroon Pad is Cutting, the Yellow is Polishing, and the Tan pad is Waxes/Sealents!

I would go with the kit I showed you! Good buy as well!

[sg2278]

Also, if you were starting your business today with everything you know now, what would your list of materials consists of? I really hope I'm not being a big pain but I am very interested in learning this business and I'm and about to purchase my materials and don't want to buy unnecessary things. I already have done that with some things.

[f1guy68]

Originally Posted by sg2278

Also, if you were starting your business today with everything you know now, what would your list of materials consists of? I really hope I'm not being a big pain but I am very interested in learning this business and I'm and about to purchase my materials and don't want to buy unnecessary things. I already have done that with some things.

No Problems:

Let me refer you to this post from a great detailer at Detail City...he has a comprehensive list of items to get and a great description of his process! I totally support these methods, so instead of me re-typing into my own words I suggest you have a good seat and be prepared to read! It's all godd and this guy is an amazing detailer! Sorry if the answer seems impersonal, but again..these methods and products are what I would do or use as well!



Detailing according to Jngrbrdman

[sg2278]

No need to apologize. You have helped out more htan enough and this suggestion is still helping me. Thanks once again.

[sg2278]

Oops....that link didn't bring me to a website. It said "Bad Request". I'll try again.

[sg2278]

Nope didn't work.

[sg2278]

Ok, I went onto Detail City and did some reading. jngrbrdman is OCDetail. I have been to his website and man what a website. So imformative! That was the other guy I had mentioned that was swearing on P21S. Thanks again f1guy68!

[twospirits]

The link was not connecting properly, I fixed it for ya.

TS out

[f1guy68]

Hey..Thanks TS.

I will double check my links in the future!

Cheers!

sq2278, See...I know the people you know too....hehehehehe

I know a good detailer when I see one...lol

[brandon_k_w]

Thanks for helping me all.

After checking out all the prices, they are just way too pricey for me to only remove swirl marks.

[brandon_k_w]

Originally Posted by f1guy68

The other method is by hand! This will be a workout, but great results can be achieved (dependant on the severity of the swirls of course)! Just get a quality polish that can be used by hand, such as Meguiar's #9 or #83 or Poorboys SSR 1 or 2 or 2.5 and your good to go! Might take a couple of times but you can get most of them out by at least 85%! Then just wipe the polish up and follow with a premium pure carnauba wax! You're in business!

This is probably what I'll be doing. But I've read up on removing swirls by hand, and they say it only removes swirls temporarily! I don't want to have a temporary swirl-free finish on my vehicle! Is this true? Any way to tell how severe swirl marks are? Thanks!

[f1guy68]

brandon,

This is probably what I'll be doing. But I've read up on removing swirls by hand, and they say it only removes swirls temporarily! I don't want to have a temporary swirl-free finish on my vehicle! Is this true? Any way to tell how severe swirl marks are? Thanks!

I think what your really talking about is cobwebs a.k.a. swirls. The circular shape light scratches that are everywhere correct! Like the picture below:



These can be removed by hand to a point. But to truly get to the "bottom" of them you will need a machine that can generate heat or create enough energy to actually remove a very thin layer of paint (in the case of Single Stage Paint) or the clearcaot (in a Base Coat/Clear Coat finish).

The PC7424 with the right pads and products can actually acheive this in many instances. While it produces almost no heat, it does create the friction or energy required along with an mildly abrasive polish to get the job done. High speed machines use the heat factor as well as a machine polish to do the same thing. And the beauty of this machine is that you cannot burn your paint or create even more swirls. Like this example of poor training and technique with a high speed rotary machine...NASTY:



Many polishes contain a glaze within them, glaze is a filler of sorts and tends to "fill" in the swirls or cobwebs which are technically very light scratches on the surface. The "Filling" eventually goes away thus the return of the cobwebs/swirls.

So..yes..you can hide them, but just for a short time. The best thing to do in the case you don't want to spend a lot of money, is to take it to a pro, have them removed and then follow a good detail regiman and practices to futrther prevent them.

Ie: No Automatic Car Washes
Using proper and soft cloths
Using linear (back & forth) motion,,,NOT circles when drying or waxing your paint etc.

[twospirits]

Speaking of which and not to take this off topic, but you mention no automatic car washes. How about hand car washes? Or do you just suggest to forego that as well and the owner do it themselves?
I only take mine to hand car washes, since I do not have the time to do it by hand myself. What do you think?

TS out

[f1guy68]

TS,

Good question!

I always suggest that the owner does it for themselves! If the owner is pressed for time, that's fine..me too sometimes!

So if you are using a hand car wash service and you're sure that they are not using sponges or rags or wash mitts that are going to scratch your car then there OK. I admit that even I have been on the way somewhere, wished I had washed my car prior, so I slip through a touchless car wash, but alway I suggest do it yourself!

I'm pretty fussy. so I like to know who is doing my car, what with, and are they going to scratch it etc. See..I offer a hand wash service as well, but my process is different in several ways! I never use the same wash mitt twice on different cars. I also use the two bucket method, one with wash and one with just water, and before I dip my wash mitt into the wash water, I rinse it in the rinse water to get the grit out of the mitt. Then back into the wash bucket and onto the car! Anal...Yes...but I don't like the thought of washing my car with all that crap stuck in my wash mitt! That equals more swirls and minor scratches.

Just out of interest, how often do you go to a hand wash and generally speaking is your car dirty or just dusty?

Rich