Evo 8, the US, and older Evo's

[EVOlutionary]

Diegoaccord-
You really did not make any logical sense AT ALL with your initial post. It was so absurd that I didn't even read the entirety of this thread.

First off - as far as the engine being outdated - you really have to be kidding. Aren't you? Just look at the SBC (small block chevy). It has seen changes to its head over the years, but since the 60's it is basically the same. And the latest version is by far the best. And lets not forget the air cooled Harley engines. They are ancient, don't make a ton of power, but are still one of the most prolific motorcycle engines in the country. And the latest version is the most powerful and most reliable.
The EVO 8 4G63 can handle 500WHP with no problem on all stock internals. I dare you to take a 1st gen DSM and run it at that level for long.

Comparing a modified DSM with a brand new EVO is like comparing Budweiser with Dom Perignon. You can get drunk on both, and you can do it cheaper on the Budweiser, but it will never be in the same class as the Dom. You can run faster in the 1/4 cheaper in the DSM, but it will never be in the same class as the EVO.

Better yet, take a brand new z06 and put it up against a new Ferarri. The vette will win in most any type of race, but I would still rather have the Ferarri.

Better yet, take a '90 Vette for 15 or 20 grand, put $5000 into the motor and suspension, and it will smoke a brand new $50000 Vette. But it is still a 14 year old car with no warrnanty.

Better yet, buy a '90 Chevette for $500, spend $10000 to drop a 600hp v-8 into it and get some fat tires, and you will outrun all of the above for less money.

Better yet, I will have my mostly stock EVO at the autocross race at Barstow Airport in Midland, MI on Sunday October 3rd.
Meet me there and lets see who is faster.

http://www.myautoevents.com/pls/mae/...56294028977993

EVOlutionary

[EvoCrazy]

Good point EVOlutionary. But, who said a Vette can take the Ferrari? Its no contest the Ferrari would win. But you made a good point.

[TRD2000]

did anyone look at the differences between US and JDM? the 8 for the US WAS going to basically be a 7 with a bodykit, they developed a mivec 4g63 and a 6sp, is it in the states?

while its great that the US got interested in cars like the EVO and STI cause it made mitsi do a production run, i hope the EVO doesn't get polluted too much with light weight steering and luxury extras, or funny styling the way the Rex did. I think that, unfortunately, there are a lot of people in the states that fail to see the point of cars like this, and so really shouldn't buy them. when was the last time you rallied on a road? when was the last time you went round a corner? thats what many cars outside America are made for and thats where their performance is measured. Don't get me wrong i like drags, but you have to be able to see past them. also, from driving in EVO's and driving in STI's its easily aparent what is the superior car, theres a reason that the evo's consistantly get better times in stock form when tested against the Subarus. My favourite would be a 7.5 (but they aren't making it!) i went in a VII rally car and loved it, but the VIII drivetrain is much improved, shame about the mitsi "corperate face".

[EVOlutionary]

Who said? Everyone said. Here is one little sample:

Year Make & Model (0-60) (1/4 Mile)

2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.1 12.5
(the '03 and '04 have 20 more ponies and are even faster)

2000 Ferrari 550 Maranello 4.2 12.7
2001 Ferrari 550 Barchetta Pininfarina 4.9 13.3
2003 Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 4.2 12.6
1995 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 4.7 12.8
1996 Ferrari F355 Spider 4.9 13.4
1997 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 4.8 13.2

2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 5.1 13.5
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4
(one magazine reported a 13.1 on a stock evoviii, but the clutch died quickly)

ENJOY!

EVOlutionary

[TRD2000]

ok so thats one type of race..... what about all the others??

[engineer]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

ok so thats one type of race..... what about all the others??

exactly.... EVO's are homolagated rally cars but also make great track cars... JUN's lemon EVO is a very good example

[diegoaccord]

About STi coming out first, I didn't mean the STi model, I mean the GDB Impreza WRX period. They already had the chassis for 2 prior years, so they didn't appreciate the STi, like they did with a all new(new to them) Evo. So, in that case, had the Evo VII came in 2002, and the WRX had stayed, people would have flocked to the Evo VII, but then the WRX, which then would be new to them would come, and as have happened, they would compare the AWD turbo 4's against each other. In such a case the WRX would have been the newer chassis for them to play with, and they would have flocked to it, whether it was better or not.

I have had the chance to drive the Evo, WRX, and WRX STi, not all on the same day, or anything, but lasting impressions leave the STi better to me.

You do have a point about the ZR-1 to Z06 thing. It did take 8 or so years to get back up. But I some how don't think it's even conceivable for the STi to be any better than the 22B from 1998, or the Evo to beat the VI Extreme of 2001.

[TRD2000]

i dunno... i reckon the MR version evo would cream the hakinen 6.5 if thats the one you're talking about. As i said before can anyone tell me if the states ended up getting a proper jap spec Evo VIII or a detuned 5sp version?

the evo consistantly beats the STI... the WRX is a different kettle of fish it competes against the Lancer GSR, the lancer only has a 1.8 which makes for a more fair battle.

[engineer]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

i dunno... i reckon the MR version evo would cream the hakinen 6.5 if thats the one you're talking about. As i said before can anyone tell me if the states ended up getting a proper jap spec Evo VIII or a detuned 5sp version?

the evo consistantly beats the STI... the WRX is a different kettle of fish it competes against the Lancer GSR, the lancer only has a 1.8 which makes for a more fair battle.

EVO has always killed STi stock to stock, the STi is slower, it has the "torque hole" people driving stock STi's always complain about, it has more understeer, is basically a softer, more watered down machine while the EVO remains pure... hard race seats, awesome steering - 2.2 turns lock to lock, neutral to oversteer cornering, nice gearbox and subarus stuff breaks all the time - not engines, but gearboxes, CV's, driveshafts blah blah blah. the electronic chassis balance mechanisms (active yaw control etc.) also help and people seem to like them so they arent too intrusive. and dont forget who was dominating WRC a few years back

[VQuick]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

i dunno... i reckon the MR version evo would cream the hakinen 6.5 if thats the one you're talking about. As i said before can anyone tell me if the states ended up getting a proper jap spec Evo VIII or a detuned 5sp version?

Well, the Evo VII GSR already beat the Evo 6.5 TME on the 'Ring in testing. I figure the Evo VIII MR FQ340 could take on the Evo VI Extreme, and the Evo VIII MR FQ400 is probably the fastest factory Evo ever(0-60mph in 3.6 secs).

The US Evo is probably detuned from the JP model. The JP Evo VIII is rated at only 276hp(of course), but is rumored to as much as 307hp. The new MR might have even more. I remember evo magazine drove a standard JP Evo VIII, then drove the UK-market Evo VIII FQ300 with 305hp. They said they didn't feel much of a difference, so the JP version just might be making that rumored number.

[diegoaccord]

"dont forget who was dominating WRC a few years back"

Mitsubishi was, WHEN THEY HAD THE EVO II - VI, that's part of m-y point. The Evo 7-8 arent as potent as the 96-01 CP9A or even the 91-95 CE9A Lancer Evo bodies.

You stating that proves my point, the Evo VI and earlier are better. Even the "refinements" made for the latest MR FQ400 can be ALL USED ON ANY 91-04 Lancer. Anything from a 92 1.8 Lancer GSR Turbo, to the 97 Lancer MX Touring, or even apply them to an actual Evo of the earlier years, and each one would give better results than the CT9A Lancer we get now.

[VQuick]

Originally Posted by diegoaccord

Mitsubishi was, WHEN THEY HAD THE EVO II - VI, that's part of m-y point. The Evo 7-8 arent as potent as the 96-01 CP9A or even the 91-95 CE9A Lancer Evo bodies.

The Evo VII wasn't a true WRC-spec car, and the Evo VIII is still in testing this year. We'll have to wait until they are finished developing the current car to have a real verdict on this.

You stating that proves my point, the Evo VI and earlier are better. Even the "refinements" made for the latest MR FQ400 can be ALL USED ON ANY 91-04 Lancer. Anything from a 92 1.8 Lancer GSR Turbo, to the 97 Lancer MX Touring, or even apply them to an actual Evo of the earlier years, and each one would give better results than the CT9A Lancer we get now.

Do you know how to install the electromagnetic ACD or SAYC systems on a car that only had mechanical differentials to start with?

[Valakin]

want some info on whats what on the WRC go here http://www.motorsportsetc.com/stats/st_wrwin.htm

I look at it this way people shouldn't argue about this stuff. When it comes to drag I say do it right and I support EVOlutionary. *lol* When it comes to all of these track times I don't buy most of the shit people say. 11 seconds at 135.... really thats funny. I have seen cars just hit hight 10's on good run at over 160mph.

For those who don't seem to understand lets look at real braging rights.

After a stop at ebay it seems that you can pick up a supra ( MKIV ) for about 10 to 15k... now lets hop over to suprastore.com... ah yes yes for 60k we can now take a car and have more horse power then god.

When www.exvitermini.com was still up you could take a look at some power as well on thier BNR 33.

As the point goes yes... the new import 4s are good for the drag and they are some cool cars....... but Ueo's AE86 at 240hp is still going to fuck you up on the turns. Stop comparing cars and times.... Listen if you want to argue about how you never do rally driving on your comute to work then don't talk about 1/4 times either. I doubt any of you are doing that on your way to work either. And if you are I hope we all get video tape copys of your ticket and possiable loss of a DL.

Most of what you all bitch about contradicts its self. And yes the evo 8 sucks compared to the jdm and the other great countrys who have been getting these cars before us. Want to bitch... send a letter to your congressmen about how the U.S. needs to stop being stupid about vehichles.

And if you all want to praise something... then tip your hats to Nissan for never selling out and down grading their Awesome cars for the U.S. And praise Toyota for Stoping before they had to.

Other then that if you want a good motor and to talk about that, even more so with a DSM (which doesn't exists since they disolved years ago), then get a life, put down the Import Tuner, go take a machanics class or two and learn that you can get killer power with your hands and some sweat.

God most of you remind me of the Honda and Cavalier owners around here. A turbo and some electronics won't get you far unless you get under there and do some serious work.

Besides any wannabe ricer can buy some shiny toys and put them on.
You show me how many of you who post know how to re adjust you stock transmission so the gear ratios are different and providing better times, then I can stomach you.