The Battle

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by flylwsi

broken writing skills and no logical means of structure?
what's broken about it?
you can easily understand everything i type, no?

for someone whose opinion i respect, i think that's a bit on the uncalled for side of the spectrum.

i've told everyone on this forum how i am, and yeah, i'm a critic.
so are alot of people.
get over it... it's just the internet...
if you seriously get bent out of shape b/c of something i typed, i'd hate to see how you'd deal with something more serious (that's not pointed at anyone here specifically, just a generalized statement)

I agree, nothing wrong with different opinions, if we all agree on the same thing, how boring would that be. You say my thread is silly and lame Kurtdg 19 and Jimster? I only put it in story format so that people could better understand the potential of each car. You said no one has an idea of how each car would perform, I typed it out for you for each car. Sure I could of just listed each car with all their mods and asked which would win, but like you said not many would exactly understand the potential of each car, so that's why I did what I did. Ok since you guys are so great, I'm calling you out, to create a better non-lame in story format than my thread using three cars?

[justav6]

then car number 5 comes. its ken duttweiler's twin turbo 87 buick grand national. you remember watching the video of him running a 7.28 @ 180mph on www.bgnra.org. that makes your decision alot easier. and its JUST A V 6!!!!!!!!

[Kurtdg19]

Ok here is my go as to why I believe this is silly. Your begining thread seems to suggest a half mile run for the three cars listed. All objective (and still unclear) data has been given for only 1/4 times. How do I know if their not already topped out at the end of the quarter (no signs of gearing of any sort)? I don't know from the information given. There is no measure for what they have only other than a list of extensive engine boosting modifications, wheels, clutch, and word on the street lingo. No signs of chasis and suspension strengthening to compensate for the higher increase in load of power. From the information given, its impossible to tell who will win. I could say the BMW (which we have no idea how powerful or fast it is) and you couldn't argue otherwise, or an office chair equipped with a 5' wing and stickers.

If I am to make a thread, it won't be a story (although I will give you the thumbs up on making an attempt to do so). I also never said I was great, nor do I think I am. I do have my opinion. I just try my hardest not to jump the gun on others opinions as I may have in the past. The only thing I try and do is simply word my own opinion. Whether its liked or not, thats up to whoever reads them.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

Ok here is my go as to why I believe this is silly. Your begining thread seems to suggest a half mile run for the three cars listed. All objective (and still unclear) data has been given for only 1/4 times. How do I know if their not already topped out at the end of the quarter (no signs of gearing of any sort)? I don't know from the information given. There is no measure for what they have only other than a list of extensive engine boosting modifications, wheels, clutch, and word on the street lingo. No signs of chasis and suspension strengthening to compensate for the higher increase in load of power. From the information given, its impossible to tell who will win. I could say the BMW (which we have no idea how powerful or fast it is) and you couldn't argue otherwise, or an office chair equipped with a 5' wing and stickers.

If I am to make a thread, it won't be a story (although I will give you the thumbs up on making an attempt to do so). I also never said I was great, nor do I think I am. I do have my opinion. I just try my hardest not to jump the gun on others opinions as I may have in the past. The only thing I try and do is simply word my own opinion. Whether its liked or not, thats up to whoever reads them.

I guess I see where you are coming from, perhaps just a list of modifications would have been better. I guess I was trying to have people use there imagination and feel in the rest, because I filled in and explained everything the thread would have been twice as long, an example of this is when I typed "and the list goes on and on for the Supra". I guess I was looking at it like say you were at a street race or drag strip, and you just got some information on a car, with what you have, who would you think would win. Although I do understand where your coming from, I still believe it is very much possible to figure out who would win, if you know enough about each car and how they respond to each modification. That's why I didn't just say car A has an intake upgrade or ECU upgrade, I was trying to be very specific on what each car has. Maybe I wasn't specific enough, and some may argue that maybe I was being to specific and the post dragged on. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are saying, and I see your knowledge of cars is very good, but I was thinking about most people who might not understand if I was too specific or not specific enough. Say for example if I did a post between a modified 1994 Honda Civic vs. and a modified 2003 Nissan 350Z:

Who would win-

1994 Honda Civic
B18C
AEM Engine Managment System
AEM Cold Air Intake
Apexi GT Spec Exhaust
DC Sports Headers
AEM Adjustible Cam Gears
AEM Tru Power Pulley Kit
DC Sports Short Shifter
Tannabe Pro S Coil-Over
Flick Apex2 Rims
Falken Ziex Z12 Tires

vs.

2003 Nissan 350Z
AEM Cold Air intake
Stillen SS Exhaust
Borla Headers

I was just worried if I did a thread like the one above, people might not understand, and wouldn't give for example the Civic a chance, if I didn't explain it better. Ok kurtdg19 I respect your opinion. I guess it's difficult to do a comparison between modified cars.

[flylwsi]

in that race, the civic would kill.

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by 3000ways

I guess I see where you are coming from, perhaps just a list of modifications would have been better. I guess I was trying to have people use there imagination and feel in the rest, because I filled in and explained everything the thread would have been twice as long, an example of this is when I typed "and the list goes on and on for the Supra". I guess I was looking at it like say you were at a street race or drag strip, and you just got some information on a car, with what you have, who would you think would win. Although I do understand where your coming from, I still believe it is very much possible to figure out who would win, if you know enough about each car and how they respond to each modification. That's why I didn't just say car A has an intake upgrade or ECU upgrade, I was trying to be very specific on what each car has. Maybe I wasn't specific enough, and some may argue that maybe I was being to specific and the post dragged on. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are saying, and I see your knowledge of cars is very good, but I was thinking about most people who might not understand if I was too specific or not specific enough. Say for example if I did a post between a modified 1994 Honda Civic vs. and a modified 2003 Nissan 350Z:

I gotcha

[dbebesi]

i'm gunna say the m3, b/c i feel sorry for it.


and i'm not trying to add fuel to a fire here, but 3000ways, i like a lot of your threads, they are entertaining (as i assume that's the purpose of them, with the whole "what if" scenarios). but dude, after reading through this entire thread, you are embarassing yourself. i'm fairly new here myself, as i see that you are. and even though we may know our stuff, all us newbies need to show respect to the people who have been in this forum for quite some time. especially the 3+ year members. they are kinda like our elders. that doesn't mean they are always right. but it does mean they deserve some respect. i've moderated other site's pertaining to other subjects, and it can be a pain when people put you down. i guess i'm just saying we all need to be more careful and respectful sometime.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by dbebesi

i'm gunna say the m3, b/c i feel sorry for it.


and i'm not trying to add fuel to a fire here, but 3000ways, i like a lot of your threads, they are entertaining (as i assume that's the purpose of them, with the whole "what if" scenarios). but dude, after reading through this entire thread, you are embarassing yourself. i'm fairly new here myself, as i see that you are. and even though we may know our stuff, all us newbies need to show respect to the people who have been in this forum for quite some time. especially the 3+ year members. they are kinda like our elders. that doesn't mean they are always right. but it does mean they deserve some respect. i've moderated other site's pertaining to other subjects, and it can be a pain when people put you down. i guess i'm just saying we all need to be more careful and respectful sometime.

I see what your saying, but if I was lashing out, it was because I feel like I was being put down and disrespected, I don't care how long somebody has been a part of this site, but they deserve the amount of respect they dish out. I may have not been part of this site for too long, but I have been into cars for a good part of my life and I definitly consider nobody here my elder. I agree perhaps the thread wasn't the greatest idea (this has already been explained why I chose to do it this way) but if you don't like it then offer ideas of how I could improve it or don't offer any ideas at all, but disrespect me and I'll disrespect you back. Believe me I have been showing some respect and holding back a lot, I'm a former member of speedmagazine.com, and I have had to learn to hold things back or risk getting kicked out of forums.