Overhyped, and Basterdised!

[RazorGTR]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

Razor just as a question do you kno how the subaru wrx STI 2004 does against it?? It does come with 300 stock!

Kinda hard to compare it other than "by the numbers game" simular to the Evo8. Subaru claims 300hp. We've ran a 2004 WRX on a local dyno and it made only 286hp at the flywheel. It is roughly the same in out right acceleration as the Evo8 until you build some engine heat then the top mounted interheater lets it down.

As far as the Meclaren F1, there is no contest. Not in looks, or outright performance. The Meclaren F1 like the Zonda is a proper "Supercar" not a sports car. It also costs well over $1 million NZD as compared to just over $100k for an R34 Vspec II.

[lilslim]

first of all, RazorGTR, I doooo know what I'm talken about. Just as you claim to have seen Skylines beat Supras, I have seen Supras beat Skylines. I've seen an NSX kill an R33 in a circle track. And, Evos have better lane change times than the Skylines. Also they have better times on shorter tracks with tighter corners than Skylines. So do NSXs. But you the type who doesnt want to hear that Skylines are not perfect in EVERY aspect. I DOOOOOo respect Skylines, but unlike most people (RazorGTR) I also give credit to other Japanese super-cars!

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by lilslim

first of all, RazorGTR, I doooo know what I'm talken about. Just as you claim to have seen Skylines beat Supras, I have seen Supras beat Skylines. I've seen an NSX kill an R33 in a circle track. And, Evos have better lane change times than the Skylines. Also they have better times on shorter tracks with tighter corners than Skylines. So do NSXs. But you the type who doesnt want to hear that Skylines are not perfect in EVERY aspect. I DOOOOOo respect Skylines, but unlike most people (RazorGTR) I also give credit to other Japanese super-cars!

You have seen videos of these racing, right. That really does not tell you that much. I am with Razor, once again

Of course we know there are other very well built cars that come from Japan, but they are not the GTR

[RazorGTR]

Originally Posted by lilslim

first of all, RazorGTR, I doooo know what I'm talken about. Just as you claim to have seen Skylines beat Supras, I have seen Supras beat Skylines. I've seen an NSX kill an R33 in a circle track. And, Evos have better lane change times than the Skylines. Also they have better times on shorter tracks with tighter corners than Skylines. So do NSXs. But you the type who doesnt want to hear that Skylines are not perfect in EVERY aspect. I DOOOOOo respect Skylines, but unlike most people (RazorGTR) I also give credit to other Japanese super-cars!

I do give others credit where credit is due. So you've seen skylines huh. You live in bloody Maryland. I serisouly doubt you've seen one in person. I've seen more Evo's, Supra's than I care to. They are all over like horseshit here. You would have seen it in some video with unequalled cars.

On what would be considered a "gokart" track the Evo would be slightly quicker due soley to its shorter wheel base but that and dirt is the only place.
I would say the same thing no matter what I owned. Facts are facts and are undisputable. Speculation however is just that.

As a good example as much as I dislike the RX7 it is also a better drag car than ANY GTR. Power to weight is a killer and you can only take out so much weight from a 4wd car where as a 2wd car can be lighten much greater everytime. There are RX7's in the 6's where as the quickest GTR in the world is the HKS R33 GTR and it has done high 7's, yet produces a lot more power.

A major problem with the supra 2JZ-GTE motor is it doesn't like to rev. Even with top spec'ed aftermarket bits it still doesn't rev like the RB26 will. With the quest for big power comes big turbos which need tremendous revs to spool them and make power. However in saying that the 2JZ-GTE motor is a hell of a lot stronger factory standard than the RB26 is. That is a given and anyone who knows anything about the two engines can not deny that. The motor however doesn't make the car.

BTW the EVO is nearly the same weight as the GTR and has a shorter and narrower wheelbase. One the bigger or proper race tracks with high speed corners and hair pins it also means the EVO will be slightly quicker around the hair pins, slightly being the key word, but on the faster sections the GTR will stretch it's legs and leave it for dead. That is another point you forgot to mention is gear ratios. Give the EVO some decent gear ratios to match the GTR in the straights and it would be slower again. That is the only thing that gives the EVO a chance. Same with the WRX. They are not geared to run big speeds like the Supra and Skyline have. EVO's and WRX's are geared to about 135mph max if they are lucky. The Supra, 300zx, Skyline and RX7 will run over 165 mph easily. Speaking of weight the Supra and 300ZX are nearly the same to the GTR. Now given they are 2wd vs 4wd their overall handling suffer with only RWD. Make the road surface wet and the game changes dramaticlly.

We don't live in a perfect world at all. There is NO perfect car though some of them are as close to that as you're going to get. Unfortunetly none of the Japanese cars come close to that as you have to only look at the Porsche GT3 to come close in overall balance. Out of the box there isn't a Japanese car that comes close.

[SkylineUSA]

Good post, Razor.

I hope he does not try to say your wrong on any of your points, because they are all very true.

I do know of 2 R32 GTRs in Maryland, so there is a chance he has seen them. One is Marc's the other is Rich's.

[HondaHater]

haha ive seen that mclaren vs. that silver r33gtr, funny to see a gtr get its ass handed on a silver platter easily.

lilslim you got punked, dont speak again, ever.

and moppie, im not talkin the 80s, sometime in the 2000's, im not sure, im still lookin for the article, it's one of hondas newest creation. also honda comin out with a car - v8 rwd, something like that, but that is old news. i dont know too much bout hondas, dont like em, but i do know a few things.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by HondaHater

haha ive seen that mclaren vs. that silver r33gtr, funny to see a gtr get its ass handed on a silver platter easily.

lilslim you got punked, dont speak again, ever.

and moppie, im not talkin the 80s, sometime in the 2000's, im not sure, im still lookin for the article, it's one of hondas newest creation. also honda comin out with a car - v8 rwd, something like that, but that is old news. i dont know too much bout hondas, dont like em, but i do know a few things.

Geez hes a newb u dont have to b that bad. But anyway are you talkn about the new nsx @ the tokyo autoshow cause thats sweet even though I'm not a big fan of honda. Which Is suprising since my uncle is the head of Honda/Acura's Whole internation advertising staff!!

[HondaHater]

no not nsx, ive seen the new nsx, i went acura's site to see that one. not a fan of the headlights. the article ont he honda's so called 'vspec' was in nissan forums. now cant find it.

[lilslim]

Well, that was a nice article RazorGTR. I never said Supras out handle Skylines, but you can go on and think I said that. The facts you wrote where all good and true. But one thing. I HAVE seen Skylines in california, when I went to visit a friend and see the D1GP (I love drifting, not that I know how to do it). Oh, and Evos DO have better 0-60 times than the Skylines. I dont care what you say about that or who is on your side on this board. Oh, and I bet the NSX has a better track time than the Skyline. But thats just me. I dont care what you and you boyfriend HondaHater say. But I will give credit to your post, cuz unlike you I give credit to other things, not just the Skyline!

[my3rdskyline]

Originally Posted by lilslim

Why is the Skyline, which USE to be one of my favorite cars so basterdised? Its overhyped, and people talk about it like its the ONLY good Japanese car in this dumb country! The Skyline isnt the fastest Japanese car to 60. The Evo is faster to 60. The Skyline isnt the best on the freeway. The Supra is. What the Skyline IS good in is road racing. Its good on tracks with long straights, and non-tight curves. But if it was in a very curvy track with lots of tight curves, and not too much straights, the Evo will crush it. If it was on the freeway, the supra will KILL it. If I was to put 10K into the engine of a Skyline, and 10K into the engine of a Supra, the Supra would have more HP. If you look at speed test, or circut racers in Japan, or people trying to break records for high speed on the freeway, the use Supras, in Japan. They know what Skylines are good, and not good in. But this country, people ONLY give Skylines credit. The funny thing is, half those people sweating the Skyline, dont know shit about it. I am sooooo sick of the 2 Fast 2 Furious crowd basterdising that car! I hope I didnt offend anyone, who dont wanna hear the truth. Later people!

If you didn't want an answer then why did you ask a question?

[jcsaleen]

Just let him be he's only diggin his hole deeper. The only way I agree with the nsx is maybe you mistakenly saw a nsx type-r full factory mods (my uncle get a new 1 every so often hehehe) and thought it was stock and it was vs'ing a 1999 regular r34 gtr.

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by my3rdskyline

If you didn't want an answer then why did you ask a question?

Thats simple, because he is a teenage kid that thinks he knows everything, but doesn't know shit.

It's Mr. I have seen, I have read that knows more. What a bunch of BS.

Razor, can you please ban that punk. He really has no benificial knowledge to post on this board.

[RazorGTR]

Lets see here in your original post:
[quote=lilslim]The Skyline isnt the best on the freeway. The Supra is. What the Skyline IS good in is road racing. Its good on tracks with long straights, and non-tight curves. But if it was in a very curvy track with lots of tight curves, and not too much straights, the Evo will crush it. If it was on the freeway, the supra will KILL it. If I was to put 10K into the engine of a Skyline, and 10K into the engine of a Supra, the Supra would have more HP. If you look at speed test, or circut racers in Japan, or people trying to break records for high speed on the freeway, the use Supras, in Japan.QUOTE]

Now pardon me but isn't that a double statement or am I reading this wrong? Lets see. "The Skyline isn't the best on the freeway but is good in road racing." Umm isn't a freeway a road? Oh wait I get it, you are talking in a straight line ahahaha That would mean a supra which is capable of only mid 14's standard is quicker than a GTR which is and has done flat 13's standard. Oh wait dammit I've got it wrong again. I must be the top speed. Yea that's it. I must be that 250mph the Supra can do Umm hello Macfly anyone home? The gear ratios are so close it isn't funny. As a matter of fact both the last gen MKIV supra's and the R34 GTR have 6speed boxes geared to approximately 190mph or 310kph. Unfortuneatly neither will hit that standard. Both will hit the wall at around 180mph.

So you've seen Skylines in California. I guess that makes you a complete expert on them. Hell maybe I should sell mine and take lessons from you as I wouldn't know a thing about them would I. I mean I've owned 3. Been around them over going on 6 years, helped start a car club on them "skylines downunder", spoken to Mr. Nagata (Smokey Nagata as he effectionatly known), etc. Oh wait I guess that means I don't know a thing about the Evo or Supra, and neither would the local tuner whos shop I nearly live at does either.
Neither does anyone else on the forums because you are such a smart guy.

Unfortuneatly I can't ban people for being stupid, but I can make their existance on the forums rather unpleasant if provoked and mate you've done that quite well.

A golden rule of thumb when you are new to a forums is don't TRY and appear smart but work your way in and learn a bit. Odds are there will be someone who just may know a little more than you think they do.

Also for your information. Bog standard Evo 7 "13.8 1/4 time", Bog standard Evo8 "13.5 1/4mile time". Gee I guess that is quicker than 13.1 isn't it. Oh wait the Evo out accelerates it yea yea that's it.

Face it pizza boy you've been measure, and owned!

[HondaHater]

hey lilslim...


lilslim seeing skylines at a d1gp aint shit. and i have alot of vids with nsx gtr evo racing each other among other cars, and never have i seen the nsx take out hte gtr. then again those are just mere vids and forgot what you called those type of tracks, razor.

and mike, ill be developing my camera today, used up all the film now.

[lilslim]

Okay, what can I say. I guess ya just want me to say that Skylines are the best cars ever made, and that there would be no other car to ever come that would even come close to what a Skyline is. That is what ya WOULD want me to say, right?

Okay, this is what I will say. I want everybody to get off there knees and stop sucking Razorgtr's dick for one second! These are info that I gathered from owners of tunner shops, like importfan.com and RPMmotoring.com. Also this is info I got from web sites like fantasycars.com, fast-autos.net, and supercars.net. These are NOT my opinions! I rather go by these than by some guy ya met on the net (like everyone here) Everythning I say here is about stock!

1. Evos have better 0-60 times than Skylines
2. Supras are faster on a long freeway, when the race starts at a certain speed, and when the second turbo kicks in.
3. NSX's have better track times SOMETIMES (they always race these cars, and sometimes different cars win. It depends on whose driving I guess)
4. Supras are easier to mod.

These are fasts that I got from other people, and websites. But since RazorGTR says its not true, I guess it isnt. Oh, and just because Razor says it, how does everybody else know hes right and I'm wrong? He COULD BE WRONG ABOUT SOME THINGS, just as I can be wrong about others.
And, my original post just said that I think Skylines are bastardised in this country. Thats it. I wanted opinions on it, not arrguments. Now everybody can go back to pleasuring RazorGTR!