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#31
05-11-2002, 08:45 PM
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I ill second that notaion! 
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#32
05-12-2002, 01:20 AM
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all i know is porsche and ruf never made anything that looks even close to as sweet as an nsx.... not even close.. not to mention it's a honda for god sakes... ...a honda... beat a porsche... i love the sounds of it...
don't get me wrong they make some sweet azz cars but i just prefer teh nsx bottom line.. i don't care how fast it is... it looks way better... and unless you pay real attnetion if i porsche 911 turbo flies by i say oh a porsche, cause unless ya know the models and what not they are all the same, give or take your 944 of course.. but when an nsx flies by... you know damn well it's the sweatest thing goin....
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05-14-2002, 05:12 AM
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honda = economical , cheap crap cars... i mean 95% of hondas are like that... 1st... they have poor racing tradition and they don't give a flying fuck about buliding a sports car , all other of their cars are FWD (not metnioning the "off road"  ... :hehe: CR-Vs and HR-Vs)2nd... like if you meet somebody at a party etc and there's a chat about cars , and you say you drive a honda , and he drives a porsche... I know that we shouldn't care , and i don't , but unfortunatelly pepole do... yeah and even if you tell that your car is a honda NSX , not everybody knows what an nsx (actually yes , in the world there are guys and girls , who aren't crazy about cars like we are... and for them a porsche is porsche , even if it's a freaken 914 with 1.7 engine and 70 hp , and a honda is a cheap econobox...
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#34
05-14-2002, 05:17 AM
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and btw honda doesn't beat porsche...
it's like taking a lamborghini LM002 and telling a kia sephia beats in top speed (i don't know actually how much kias go , but this off road lamborghini does like 180 km/h or so) so does that mean kia beats all lamborghinis? Because you sound like it was that all hondas beat all the porches, and actually it's like the NSX can beat some of the porsches... and doesn't come close to GTs , 959s , even "regular" turbo 911s... that are the facts...:finger:... and it's a honda = poor prestige , if any at all , expensive as hell and more expensive to mantain than porsches...
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#35
05-15-2002, 01:26 AM
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 So tell me how many F1 championships has Porshe won? And how many has Honda won? You dont know? I didnt think so. Well heres a clue, the only manufactor that has won more F1 Championships than Honda, and been involved in F1 for longer is Ferrari. :finger: Honda were also the Fisrt manufactor to build mass produced off the shelf N/A engines with more than 100hp/L. Beating both BMW and Porshe by several years. Oh, and Honda's First car the S600 was RWD. :finger: You seem to have a very narrow minded and slightly ignorant view of Honda, infact your as ethnocentric and closed minded as the red neck Americans who believe that Chevys and Fords are the best cars in the world. (even though most of thier most succesful models came from Germany and Britten).
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#36
05-16-2002, 12:47 AM
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well even though NSX is a gorgous car, i still think the 996 turbo looks better and so does the GT2. and they will spank the NSX around like a bad habit.... by the way moppie sick EF civic you got there, that thing is a total sleeper. if i didn't look farther down, i would have no idea that you stuffed a B16A in there. it must be faaasssst with such a light frame.
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#37
05-16-2002, 01:10 AM
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To give you some idea of how fast my car is, I got to take a 928 home from work the other day, and well after giving it a good hard drive my SiR is considerably faster. And after driving several lesser model EF Civics and CRX's they really are completly differnt cars. In fact the basic body shell and interior is the only thing the same. (dont tell the other EF guys, but the other models are the cheap crap econo boxs Tom mentioned) Honda altered all the suspension attachment points and control arms, and installed bigger discs and capilpers all round. Im not exactly going to be able to keep up with most 911's or an NSX, but my car is an excellent example of Honda's ablity to build performance cars. Of course the Type-R models of the Integra and Civic are the classic examples. Honda is Japans most succesful Manufactor when it comes to Motorsport,and has more titles under its belt then even the likes of BMW Mercedes and yes Porsche. Infact Honda is one of the worlds most succesfull manufactors when it comes to Motorsport. (but being Japanese thet tend to get ignored) Just becasue they use the Technology gained from Motorsport to make thier biggest selling cars more economic and with less emmisions (yes Honda, builds the most efficiant petrol engines) Dosnt mean they can't also use the technology to build some of the worlds best sports cars. Infact the knowledge and technology required to build an engine that makes large amounts of spefic HP is the same as the knowledge and technology required to make and engine that is as efficant as possible. Both engines are infact the most efficiant, Its just that one is efficiant at making Hp, and the other is efficant at useing fuel.
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05-16-2002, 11:36 AM
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05-16-2002, 10:50 PM
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well honda do make some nice cars. but me being a nissan man. nissan is known to win the most GT races in japan. but F1. thats a different story.
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05-17-2002, 02:59 AM
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Becasue you might or might not have noticed that there are VERY and I mean very few Independant manufactors who make super cars. There is quite simply no money it in, there never has been, and there never will be. Ferrari is owned and controled by Fiat, and your beloved Porshce is owned and controled by VAG of all things. Bugatti is also part of VAG, and poor Lotus is owned in bits by everybody. Hence all the badge enginering Porsche has done in the past, and is doing now. i.e the old 924 and 944, and the new Cheanye Soccer Mom Mobile. And Honda builds and has built plenty of sports cars. All thier world leading Bikes aside there is: S600, S2000, NSX, EF9 SiR Civic/CRX, Type R Integra, Type R Civic, Type S Prelude. The NSX is thier only super car, but then how many other Japanese Manufactors can claim to have a super car under thier belt? um lets see none! Honda builds one of the most diverse ranges of cars for any single manufactor. They are also one of the few remaining world manufactors that is Totaly independant. Think of any manufactor you like, and theres a 90% chance its owned by someone else, or is part of a larger group. Even Daimler is no longer independant. Try and learn a little more about something before you try and knock it down. Just becasue Honda builds lots of efficant econo boxs that do not have any sporting aperations dosnt mean they are not capable of building some very fast and exciting to drive sports cars, and even the odd super car.
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#41
05-17-2002, 03:30 AM
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Tom, you need to straighten out your facts, Moppie cleared up the F1 stuff, also Honda do make RWD cars (Heard of a certain car called an S2000) and the CRV and HRV beat the pants off all the "Soft Roaders" the exception being the LR Freelander, but that is possibly the worst car in show-rooms right now.
Pull up to a club in an S2000 or NSX and you WILL get glances because generally damn-sexy cars, people are going to look beyond the badge, Hondas also have more prestige than any other mainstream Jap manufacturer and even the lesser European margues (eg. Peugeot, Vauxhall, Renault and FIAT) mainly because nowdays Hondas are seen as well-engineered, quick, reliable and well priced viechles, that is what made the Civic NZ's 6th best selling car last year............ I'm sorry mate, but you have got to look beyond the tip of your nose and see that while Germans make some fine cars, the Japs are running circles around them...................
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05-17-2002, 04:44 PM
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-it's not honda -it's not running circles , it's actually slower , but a bit cheaper too... And yes i know most companies tend to gather in larger ones , and i'm all against this soccer mom-cayenne thing... But please don't tell me that Type S prelude is a sports car , or the type R integras or civics are... a carrera RS made back in 1973 would run circles around them... and it's non turbo... And moppie you say that none of the other japanese manufacturers make sport cars... umm i don't care... the thread is porsche 911 VS NSX... anyway now i'm tired as hell and i should get some sleep.... No matter what ... i'll still spank a NSX in 3 of 4 cars that i own , and the 4th is a minivan... later...
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#43
05-17-2002, 09:01 PM
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And this thread is about the NSX vs the NON Turbo version of the 911. In which case money aside the NSX is by far the faster car. (Its also about 100 times more reliable). In europe though thanks to taxs and import dutys the 911 is the cheaper car to buy. If you want to compare Turbo variants of the 911 then there is no comparision.
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05-18-2002, 01:23 AM
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Ok you want to really know it... check it out:
http://www.rs4.org/rs4/rs4-fearture/...ring-times.htm Scroll down the list and check for yourself... Here are some of the times and averege speeds that may be interesting for this comparsion: 8,38 = 144 km/h Honda NSX -98, 280 hp 8,34 = 146 km/h Honda NSX 6 speed 276 hp And here are times and averege speeds of porsches (yes , non-turbos): 8,28 = 147 km/h Porsche 911 Cabrio 993, 285 hp (yes it's a stock non turbo 911 , and it's a cabriolet so it's heavier then normal 911s... and it still smacks it hard... go figure) 8,15 = 151 km/h Porsche 964 RS 260 hp 8,17 = 151 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 300 hp 7,56 = 157 km/h Walther Röhrl, Porsche 996 GT3 360 hp - it's 42 seconds faster then one of the NSXs , and 38 seconds faster then the other one... No turbo and all stock.... Have you ever seen two cars "racing" when there's more than 30 seconds difference on one lap ... it must be a joke.... and the 91' 260 hp 964 still beats them by 20 seconds or so... and the 964 is from the 80s... here are times of 3 turboed STOCK porsches... 8,12 = 152 km/h 1998 Porsche 993 Turbo S, 432 hp 8,12 = 152 km/h 1997 Porsche 993 Turbo, 408 hp 8,09 = 153 km/h Porsche 993 GT2 430 hp And here are some japanese cars (not honda) that are way cheaper then NSX and kick dust in it's face anyway... 8,28 = 147 km/h Nissan Skyline GTR standard 276 hp 8,25 = 148 km/h Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo 6 280 hp And you tell me that honda is the ultimate sports car manufacturer in japan... Btw i wonder why they didn't show times for your "sport" S2000 , civics , "tegz" :hehe: , and preludes... Here are some other times , some cars that smack NSXs... those are not strictly sport cars... there is a sedan , a wagon and some others... see for yourself... 8,20 = 150 km/h 1998 BMW test drivers, BMW M5 E39 -98, 400 hp 8,20 = 150 km/h BMW M3 Evo E36 321 hp 8,22 = 149 km/h BMW M Coupe, 321 hp 8,10 = 153 km/h Audi RS4 8,10 = 153 km/h Chrysler Viper GTS - yes i know how powerful it is , but pepole use to say it handles like crap and has no brakes... but it did quite a nice lap IMO... now who runs circles around your NSX again? :finger:
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