97+ GTP vs. 5.0L Mustang

[CHUCK DIESEL]

"I've got a '97 GTP that is all stock. My friend has a '93 mustang gt that is also stock, except he has a cold air intake. I don't know what brand it is, but he says it adds 15 hp. Can I beat him?"

The 93 mustang is faster than any mustang up to the year 2003, so long story short no. From 94 to 2002 they have more horsepower than the 88 to 93 5.0's (4.9) but they dropped to a 4.6 those years with more horse power and less torque.

I dont think the 3800 series 2 was out in 97.

[ShinyHappyGP]

As for Stang vs. GP, I now have a GP, but I wish I still had my 5.0 - but as a lot of you pointed out, alot has to do with the driver.
For Stang 4.6, I really wish I still had my 5.0, but give me a little time for tweaking my GP, come to my neck of the woods and let this former "housewife" teach you a lesson by blowing your doors off. It would be my pleasure.

[GTPJeff]

Originally Posted by CHUCK DIESEL

The thing is if you have a GTP supercharged against a stock 5.0 up to the year 2002 the GTP is always faster from 0-60 because of the supercharged V6.

Well my front wheel drive GTP won't 0-60 anything like my Mustang did when it was stock.. The GTP is quick, it just spins the front tires too easy.. My 87 Mustang, when it was pure stock with 2.73 gears, ran 14.6's at 94 mph.. And would turn a 1.95 sixty foot on stock Gatorbacks.. With a supercharger, 3.55 gears, and drag radial street tires, it turned sixty foots in 1.6's..

I'm a drag racer from a long way back.. And I just can't see drag racing with a front wheel drive car.. I see ricers going quick on Nopi TV, but I'm still not buy'n it..

You ever rode in a car that accelerated so hard with such a sustained pull, that the seat belt inertia locks would go click click click click... Locking you into the seat so deep that you could hardly breath when they let off the gas .. Now that's power.. Read about my turbo consultants car below...

http://www.turboconnection.com/showcase/jr90gt/

[ShinyHappyGP]

Originally Posted by GTPJeff

Well my front wheel drive GTP won't 0-60 anything like my Mustang did when it was stock.. The GTP is quick, it just spins the front tires too easy.. My 87 Mustang, when it was pure stock with 2.73 gears, ran 14.6's at 94 mph.. And would turn a 1.95 sixty foot on stock Gatorbacks.. With a supercharger, 3.55 gears, and drag radial street tires, it turned sixty foots in 1.6's..

I'm a drag racer from a long way back.. And I just can't see drag racing with a front wheel drive car.. I see ricers going quick on Nopi TV, but I'm still not buy'n it..

You ever rode in a car that accelerated so hard with such a sustained pull, that the seat belt inertia locks would go click click click click... Locking you into the seat so deep that you could hardly breath when they let off the gas .. Now that's power.. Read about my turbo consultants car below...

http://www.turboconnection.com/showcase/jr90gt/

I used to have drag cars, also from a long way back - one was a '68 Pontiac which took eight trophies in its last real season - so yes I've been in REALLY fast cars. Have you ever been in a normally aspirated car that could really pin you to your seat? It's much more impressive.
People have been racing front wheel drive cars for a long time, and, yes, I wish I still had my 5.0, but I do the best with what I have now. As for spinning the wheels, that goes to driver skill and I only have that "problem" if I want to.

[carnutcass]

Originally Posted by CHUCK DIESEL

I dont think the 3800 series 2 was out in 97.

My '96 Bonneville had the Series II.

[GTPJeff]

Originally Posted by ShinyHappyGP

Have you ever been in a normally aspirated car that could really pin you to your seat? It's much more impressive.

The fastest "naturally asperated" car I ever rode in, would probably run about 110 in the quarter.. So I've never been in a killer n/a car.. I did have drag motorcycle that ran 9.30 at 145 naturally asperated.. It would turn 1.41 sixty foot times with NO wheelie bar.. It felt pretty impressive.. But the first time I hit the nitrous oxide on it, I shut it off before I reached the finish line.. Because it was pull'n so hard I thought that I might not be able to stop it before the track ran out ... It would run 8.7's at 162 on the squeeze.. But that "first" time I hit juice.. It felt like it was running 200 ...

[CHUCK DIESEL]

Never had my tires spin, I just know from 0-60 I have been faster than mustangs and it has a lot to do with tap shift and a supercharger v/s a stick driver.

[GTPpower]

My "97 Gtp Has The 3800 Series 2. I've Never Seen One Without It.

[GTP Racer]

Originally Posted by Stang4.6

i've read alot of stories about all these gtp's blowing out stangs. i personaly have only raced one because most of the usual gtp drivers, housewives, dont like to race. Most drivers of four door, automatic, full sized sedans usually dont try to mess with a sports car. i do like the front design of the gtp, because thats all i see in my rear view mirror.

well then.... ull be fuckin embarassed when u get up against a GTP that is willing to race...

[jeffs_GTP_sleeper]

Why are mustangs so slow?

[GTP Racer]

Originally Posted by ChaosStarter

Please tell me that the 3.75 part was a typo. Stock size is 3.8" and if you really do have just a 3.75, it's not doing SHIT. The Mag. nose drive doesn't help gain anything either.

You remind me of some newer SRT-4 owners that think their cars are Ferrari's or something. "I can beat this, this, and that, and I've never lost to a blah blah blah." Just remember, there is always someone faster, and when it comes to a GTP, unless SERIOUSLY modified, there's a lot more people faster.

sorry bro was a typo meant 3.25

[daddy75202]

Originally Posted by CHUCK DIESEL

The thing is if you have a GTP supercharged against a stock 5.0 up to the year 2002 the GTP is always faster from 0-60 because of the supercharged V6. I have said that I beat a 2003 Mach 1 stock to stock and the reason I think is that I got 280lbs of supercharged torque and the Mach 1 has like 330 lbs of V8 torque. Unless you are dealing with a mustang with a supercharger such as a cobra or looking as a 100+ lb of torque difference the GTP will win. With the Tapshift in my GTP comp G and heads up display, I got a good 2 seconds on almost any stick driver because I got no clutch and my speed right at eye level. It takes most guys/girls a good 1/2 to 1 second to shift a mustand where they are not on the gas, they are playing catch up when racing a GTP.

Now I love mustangs, but they are 2 simple on the inside and not good here in colorado. Also you can jump a mustangs hp up by 150 with a few tweeks, way easier (with more after market parts for the GT) than a GTP.

But long story short its all about distance and what gear you are in, from 0-70, 1st to high 2nd/low 3rd the GTP will win. Now from 95 to 130mph the GTP will loose and thats where the raw power of the mustang (stock) comes in.

First of all, you must not know how to drive a stick. Manual is ALWAYS faster in the hands that know how to mix 'em. Second of all, can you explain to me the difference in HP that is supercharged vs non-supercharged? I mean from the angle of physics, you know the definition of horsepower? I don't remember a different definition in physics class for the different types of horsepower, since hp is hp. All the GP drivers need to get real, as you go up the HP food chain, the mustang will always win, rear driver vs. fwd, is the first problem with high hp grand prix's.

[richtazz]

I think the point is that it's fun to give a little "humble pie" to the obnoxious punk that will tell his buddies that his stock 'Stang is a 12 second car, then pull up in a front drive car and hand him his ass on a platter. We all know that a well modified Mustang will beat a GTP, and any hot rodder has to respect the 5.0 Stang for what it is, an affordable, light weight car that is a good starting point for a hella fast ride. But it's fun putting the cocky without cause drivers back on the trailer, then wish you were a fly on the wall as he tries to explain how he got beat by a FWD "grocery getter!!!!!"

[BNaylor]

Resurrected old message thread, over a year old. I think I'll pass on this one.










Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 PCM, SLP Headers,
3.25 SC pulley, CAIT GMAF, 2.5 DP/Hi-Flow CAT,
u-bend delete, 160 TS, ZZP Stage 1 72mm TB,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, Autolite 103,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt,
Nitto NT555R Drag Radials
1/4 ET: 13.210 sec. @ 104.490 mph
0 - 60 ft: 1.945 sec.

[daddy75202]

Originally Posted by richtazz

I think the point is that it's fun to give a little "humble pie" to the obnoxious punk that will tell his buddies that his stock 'Stang is a 12 second car, then pull up in a front drive car and hand him his ass on a platter. We all know that a well modified Mustang will beat a GTP, and any hot rodder has to respect the 5.0 Stang for what it is, an affordable, light weight car that is a good starting point for a hella fast ride. But it's fun putting the cocky without cause drivers back on the trailer, then wish you were a fly on the wall as he tries to explain how he got beat by a FWD "grocery getter!!!!!"

It's fun to do that to anyone. I have a Grand Prix, Had a Formula 350, and also several Mustangs. Handling, the GM products are a little more refined. The solid rear axle on the mustang gets a little scary at times on bumpy turns. I could set my watch by the planned obsolescence in a GM car though... Like the idea of a solstice, but 7 alternators in a stock GP in 150K miles tells me to beware. Maybe I'll just wait for the 07 Shelby gt 500 rated at about 450hp 450 ft/lbs, and really have a bone stock 12 second car?