93 V-R4 Vs. Ford Lightning

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by VR-4TT:)

well the VR-4 isnt a feather either, it ways 3800lbs empty

its also nearly 6 feet wide.

[n2877]

First, I do like the lightning but it is pretty sad that with 500+hp and all you hit are 12's. put that kind of hp in my car and I'd be run mid - low 11's possibly even hit 10's. Of coures I drive real american muscle.
Second, the VR4 is a superior car in almost every espect except maby in towing cause its a car.

[96talontsi]

i guess we have all forgot about the weight to power ratio....... of course 500 horses are going to make a car that wieghts 3803 lb go faster than a truck that wieghts 4670. Thats 867 lbs!!! and think of the aerodynamics of the cars too. trust me i am not talking shit on imports, look at me i own a talon tsi... but i still relize reality, i am pretty sure the lightning would win the 1/4 mile but nothing else against the vr-4... well maybe one thing.... TOWING

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by n2877

First, I do like the lightning but it is pretty sad that with 500+hp and all you hit are 12's. put that kind of hp in my car and I'd be run mid - low 11's possibly even hit 10's. Of coures I drive real american muscle.
Second, the VR4 is a superior car in almost every espect except maby in towing cause its a car.

^ HELLS YEH MAN!! preach it! lol , however me... i dont like lightnings... and i dont like fords...period. i drove one...served my time in hell... im through, thank u very much!lol but yeh, dude the VR-4, much betta ! and chicks will dig that car WAY more than a lightning! i have yet to meet a chick who doesnt love the way a 3/S looks! (granted they know nothing else about the car, they just think its badass looking ! lol)

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by 96talontsi

i guess we have all forgot about the weight to power ratio....... of course 500 horses are going to make a car that wieghts 3803 lb go faster than a truck that wieghts 4670. Thats 867 lbs!!! and think of the aerodynamics of the cars too. trust me i am not talking shit on imports, look at me i own a talon tsi... but i still relize reality, i am pretty sure the lightning would win the 1/4 mile but nothing else against the vr-4... well maybe one thing.... TOWING

ok your right about the weight difference. but whats the point of making a 500hp proformance vehical if it weights so much. weight defeats the whole perpose of even proformin at high speeds. i dislike high displacement and high weight. its point-less to build a proformance vehical above 3300 lbs.

[talskinyguy]

yeah..........cause my 3800 lb vr-4 sucks at high speeds

I dont know about your performance car, but my car is extreamly stable above 120. I think that is the speed your car is governed at.

[96talontsi]

hey mikegee you make a pretty good point that i never even thought of... why the hell did they make that truck so damn heavy??

[YogsVR4]

Making a lightweight performance car was not what Mitsubishi was trying to accomplish. The 3000 was marketed as a touring coupe - not a sports car. Yes the weight robs some of the potential performance of it, but speed is not the end all of a vehicle. If it were - I'd be driving a bike. As for the lightning, since its a truck the people buying it will probably use it as one. The guy down the road uses his to tow his boat around which my car can't/won't do. I'd expect them to keep the frame heavier to handle the load.

The HP to weight ratio is overused. Acceleration and top end speed have a lot more variables that can offset it.

[96talontsi]

The HP to weight ratio is overused? then why are Crotch Rockets so fast with most of them havin less then 200 horse power???? that seems like HP to weight ration to me..... but thats just me. im not doggin you i am just confused i guess.

[talskinyguy]

Yes power to wieght matters, but so does the gearing of the vehicle, and lots of other things.

[n2877]

Originally Posted by 96talontsi

i guess we have all forgot about the weight to power ratio....... of course 500 horses are going to make a car that wieghts 3803 lb go faster than a truck that wieghts 4670. Thats 867 lbs!!! and think of the aerodynamics of the cars too. trust me i am not talking shit on imports, look at me i own a talon tsi... but i still relize reality, i am pretty sure the lightning would win the 1/4 mile but nothing else against the vr-4... well maybe one thing.... TOWING

I would have to dissagree with you on the lightning taking the vr4 in the 1/4 mile. Don't get me wrong its a nice truck and I wouldn't mind owning one along with the vr4, but I guess the only way to prove it would be to run the two of them and also film it for any one who doesn't believe the out come

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Making a lightweight performance car was not what Mitsubishi was trying to accomplish. The 3000 was marketed as a touring coupe - not a sports car. Yes the weight robs some of the potential performance of it, but speed is not the end all of a vehicle. If it were - I'd be driving a bike. As for the lightning, since its a truck the people buying it will probably use it as one. The guy down the road uses his to tow his boat around which my car can't/won't do. I'd expect them to keep the frame heavier to handle the load.

The HP to weight ratio is overused. Acceleration and top end speed have a lot more variables that can offset it.

in my some what educated oppinion, i think the 3000gt (gto) in vr4 pakeage is breakin some laws ok a lot. i do like and rspect the skyline more and im confident that the skyline gtr would beat it but thats not the case here. i do feel that the weight of the vr4 is not hindering the proformance too much. if any company can make a 3800lbs, 6' wide with less then 400hp run what 13's in the 1/4 is alright in my book.

[GrungeAholicVR4]

Originally Posted by m3mark

No hard feelings here.. LOL to be honest I dont care for fords either. I am just an all around car guy. I am just posting from experience. My friends lightning runs 13.4 consistently bone stock. Which is faster then my bone stock vr4. No comparision the mitsu spanks the lightning!!!

Well man, thats cool, thats cool, but it is a common fact that with hard launches and excellent driving, any car can be pushed past what its claimed 1/4 mile time is. It has been proven many times that bone stock camaros with LS1's can hit high 12's, its all driver man. and the fastest stock VR4 time i believe is 13.082? But I read that awhile ago on a VR4 site, and AWD vs. rear wheel, means better and faster hook up, and an instant lead off the line, plus twin turbos and intercoolers to kick in for the mid and top end, yea lightnings are very fast trucks, but a supercharged V8 that wieghs a ton, (granted the VR4 isnt a light vehicle either), vs. 320 hp 315lbs in a 94+ Vr4?, My money is without a doubt on the VR4.

[youngvr4]

there was 2 lightnings at the track both were running 14.1 to 13.9, they say it runs 13.5 but thats not really the case at the same track a guy with a vr4 i beleive 96 was running 13.5 all day. yes they say an ls1 can do this or a supra can do that(factory freaks), but all in all a vr4 either beats it or it would be a tie/good race a lightning will not out run the vr4 in the 1/4.