classic argument

[Blue02R6]

Originally Posted by venom800R

I think the point was to say that if anything the GTO looked like a big firebird, but i see what your trying to say. its not important anyway.

That was the point.

[CrzyMR2T]

i like all cars, imports, domestics, v8s, turbo 4, or whatever. the new cars these days are all mixed up now that i dont really see them as imports or demestics anymore. like mazdas been with ford for a long time now, and so has other asian/euro companies combined with domestic companies. honda helped chevy build the new v6 so i dont know if you would consider that a domestic. if you wanna look for real import or domestic cars, i think that you would have to go back 10 yrs or more. most of the comapanies are mixed up now combining each others technology.

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by CrzyMR2T

i like all cars, imports, domestics, v8s, turbo 4, or whatever. the new cars these days are all mixed up now that i dont really see them as imports or demestics anymore. like mazdas been with ford for a long time now, and so has other asian/euro companies combined with domestic companies. honda helped chevy build the new v6 so i dont know if you would consider that a domestic. if you wanna look for real import or domestic cars, i think that you would have to go back 10 yrs or more. most of the comapanies are mixed up now combining each others technology.

True that.....

[Musclecarclub]

I think Chrysler started it back in the early 1980s when they started stuffing Mitsubishi engines in Dodge's and Chrysler products.

Still can't believe Honda is going to sell Saturn (!) its wonderful V6s for their VUE.

[rav440]

of corse i voted domestic .
there two important factors .

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR CUBIC INCHES & SPEED IS JUST A QUESTION OF MONEY , HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO ?

import guys stick a TON of $$$$$$$$$ just to get to 13-10 seconds in the 1/4 mile .

if i put half of the money into my RUNNER that the import guys do it would be one MEAN ride .

im not saying i dont like the import guys at all i respect them for their love of cars .
but i just dont understand why someone would put MEGA bucks into a car with no chance of a return on 1/2 of what was put into it .

yes in know the same is done with MUSCLE cars , but 90% or the time the return is greater .

[Silencer_Nate]

Domestic power! Woot!

On the other hand rav440, look at what the import guys pay for their cars. They pay a little over half the $ we would for a Mustang/domestic. More importantly though, look at insurance. A little Civic is going to have nearly no premiums, because usually people simply use them to commute. Get a 18-25 year old that buys a domestic mustang, camaro, firebird, etc...and the insurance bets that you're going to race and probably wreck it. Therefore, imports might require big bucks to get their times down, but they would probably recoup that money after having the car for a few years IMHO.

[rav440]

GOOD POINT Silencer_Nate .

[Musclecarclub]

That insurance payment can be a killer. Definitely an advantage for the imports.

[69prr4406]

i am a domestic type of guy something about a a ton of cubic inchs in a big piee of steel

not kocking the import guy they do some impressive suff with a 4 banger


and for the guys talking about a trans am and a gto. They did have at lot of the same stylings but i think they both stand on there own

[69prr4406]

i am a domestic type of guy something about a a ton of cubic inchs in a big piee of steel

not knocking the import guy they do some impressive suff with a 4 banger


and for the guys talking about a trans am and a gto. They did have at lot of the same stylings but i think they both stand on there own

[geno96Z71]

Both old school musclecars and new imports have their advantages and disadvantages, but they are two very different types of vehicles- I don't you can't accurately compare them in the same light.

I drove my '72 Firebird for almost ten years as a daily driver. Admittedly, I constantly modified the car in that time and its mpg, driveability, and reliability got worse. Still a very cool car, yes, but not one I'd every want to use everyday. My '95 Accord on the other hand is very smooth, extremely reliable, and gets good mpg- currently my daily driver. Yes, it's gutless compared to my 'Bird, but an entirely different animal. I'm sure the guys that take their Accord and hop it up are fast, but I seriously doubt they could produce the numbers my 'Bird generates without spending at least double what I've spent on that car. And why would I want to ruin a perfectly reliable, economical vehicle just to go a little faster? That's why I've got both.

Geno

[Blue02R6]

Well, you can get a reliable cheap to insure domestic. Not to mention that repairs of domestic cars are typically cheaper. If you compaired the insurance on a Sunfire and a 2 door civic I bet they'd be very close. Same goes for the fast ones I bet rates on a 3000gt-vr4 and a vette of the same year would also be close.

[LancasterWannaBe]

Do you all consider newer cars like the Viper, Corvette, and 04 Mustang muscle cars? The new stang cobra makes 396 hp I believe.
I also read somewhere that the 06 Corvette's hp rating is supposed to be in the 500s .
Obviously there's a lot of technology in all of those cars.

[Layla's Keeper]

I like the ultimate solution to the import/domestic debate; hybrids. Beautifully designed sportscars using raw (and inexpensive) American V8 power.




Like this Iso/Bizzarini Grifo A3L which used either a Chevy 327 or 427. (can you tell it's one of my all time favorites?)



Or the Detomaso Mangusta (above) and Pantera (below) which used Ford 351 Cleveland V8's.


How about the big Jensen Interceptor with its Chrysler V8 and four-wheel drive?

And of course, the hybrid that needs no introduction.


Big inexpensive American power, small beautiful good handling import chassis and bodies. Hybrids are always my vote.

[venom800R]

Originally Posted by LancasterWannaBe

Do you all consider newer cars like the Viper, Corvette, and 04 Mustang muscle cars? The new stang cobra makes 396 hp I believe.
I also read somewhere that the 06 Corvette's hp rating is supposed to be in the 500s .
Obviously there's a lot of technology in all of those cars.

The mustang is a muscle/pony car. The corvette is a sports car. The viper is a muscle/supercar.