US Drifting

[Dorikin]

Originally posted by Octagon

"Tainting the sport" won't happen because people with Camaros and Mustangs want to try out drifting, too and will hence develop techniques more specific to Yank tanks. That's called evolution. What about the drift scene in Australia? Are you saying that the Commodore guys aren't drifting?

Domestic drifting is awesome maing, people in Hawaii, where the US drift scene was pretty much born, do it all the time.

Commodore drifting

P.S. Street-R Ever heard of a crew in Oki called Velocity or Murder?

[Suislide]

Originally posted by Octagon
That's funny, because as far as I know the techniques debuted in the days of Hans Stuck (the first), Giuseppe Farina, and other greats from the bygone era of front engine F1 who used braking and shifting techniques to swing their low grip, high-power machines around tight bends on the grand old circuits like the Nordschliffe at Nurburgring and through the Gasworks at Monte Carlo.

"Tainting the sport" won't happen because people with Camaros and Mustangs want to try out drifting, too and will hence develop techniques more specific to Yank tanks. That's called evolution. What about the drift scene in Australia? Are you saying that the Commodore guys aren't drifting? And, say, isn't the Toyota Chaser, a luxury sedan about the size of a Lincoln LS or a Cadillac CTS, a favorite amongst drifters? That pretty much destroys your "Domestics are too big" argument.

As for being irresponsible with motorsports.... it seems to me that drifting (and racing in general) in Japan isn't limited to the track, either. Direct civil disobedience, no matter what country you're in, is indeed irresponsible. Now, if you'd pointed to an orginization like the USHRA (U.S. Hot Rod Association) which sanctions stadium monster truck events, maybe you'd be onto something.

We Yanks who've been running sprints and midgets on dirt since Indy was paved with bricks do know a thing or two about drifting. Maybe not as a sport unto itself, but certainly the techniques involved are as ingrained into this culture as they are into Japan's...

... and the French tarmac rally specialists, and the English rallycrossers, and the Scandinavian rallyers, and German drivers who tackle the Nordschliffe, and any country where hillclimbs are still popular...

again...

[Dorikin]

W.the exception of Sprint cars, I must agree.

Brian, it is drifting, just not in the D1 sense.

[2strokebloke]

If only there'd be a good hillclimb event near where I live...
Anyway, I don't think that people are going to associate all types of drifting with "Japanese drifting" because whereas Japanese drifting, is for the purpose of drifting - in other motorsports it's not specifically about the drift, so drifting in other areas of motorsports will remain associated with their respective sport.

[Dorikin]

The whole drifting "scene" is becoming so pretentious and fake, and its growth has barely began...

[Suislide]

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
If only there'd be a good hillclimb event near where I live...
Anyway, I don't think that people are going to associate all types of drifting with "Japanese drifting" because whereas Japanese drifting, is for the purpose of drifting - in other motorsports it's not specifically about the drift, so drifting in other areas of motorsports will remain associated with their respective sport.

exactly. i personally find Octagon is taking it a bit to the extreme claiming that the old-skool F1 boys invented the art of drifting as we know it. sure, they may have slid their cars around, but that's been happening since cars have been around, so technically Karl Benz can be acredited with the birth of drifting. there's totally different techniques involved, totally different cars, totally different set-ups, drivers, tracks, surfaces etc. it's not the same thing.

[Dorikin]

Originally posted by S13_Iketani


exactly. i personally find Octagon is taking it a bit to the extreme claiming that the old-skool F1 boys invented the art of drifting as we know it. sure, they may have slid their cars around, but that's been happening since cars have been around, so technically Karl Benz can be acredited with the birth of drifting. there's totally different techniques involved, totally different cars, totally different set-ups, drivers, tracks, surfaces etc. it's not the same thing.

Ya, I mean, an F1 car is different. Mid-engined turbo V10 on slicks...

Ok, I can see rally and stuff, F1 is kinda extreme.

Brian, Karl Benz is teh JDM Dorikin y0, everyone knows that. Didnt you see the Option Video, with him, and his Model 62?? Holy shit mang, I want the MOMO tiller, and those Advan wooden spoked wheels

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by Dorikin


Ya, I mean, an F1 car is different. Mid-engined turbo V10 on slicks...

no turbo since the late 80's......and they don't have slicks anymore...they are forced to have grooves.....

[Layla's Keeper]

Ahem, straight from the mouth of Il Commendatore himself...

"At the first bend, I had the clear sensation that Tazio had taken it badly and that we would end up in the ditch; I felt myself stiffen as I waited for the crunch. Instead, we found ourselves on the next straight with the car in a perfect position. I looked at him, his rugged face was calm, just as it always was, and certainly not the face of someone who had just escaped a hair-raising spin. I had the same sensation at the second bend. By the fourth or fifth bend I began to understand; in the meantime, I had noticed that through the entire bend Tazio did not lift his foot from the accelerator, and that, in fact, it was flat on the floor. As bend followed bend, I discovered his secret. Nuvolari entered the bend somewhat earlier than my driver's instinct would have told me to. But he went into the bend in an unusual way: with one movement he aimed the nose of the car at the inside edge, just where the curve itself started. His foot was flat down, and he had obviously changed down to the right gear before going through this fearsome rigmarole. In this way he put the car into a four-wheel drift, making the most of the thrust of the centrifugal force and keeping it on the road with the traction of the driving wheels. Throughout the bend the car shaved the inside edge, and when the bend turned into the straight the car was in the normal position for accelerating down it, with no need for any corrections."

The page I got it from

And this is the Alfa Romeo he drove back when Enzo Ferrari managed the Alfa F1 team.

I'd say what Ferrari saw from his seat as a riding mechanic was a true drifting technique.

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by Octagon
Ahem, straight from the mouth of Il Commendatore himself...

"At the first bend, I had the clear sensation that Tazio had taken it badly and that we would end up in the ditch; I felt myself stiffen as I waited for the crunch. Instead, we found ourselves on the next straight with the car in a perfect position. I looked at him, his rugged face was calm, just as it always was, and certainly not the face of someone who had just escaped a hair-raising spin. I had the same sensation at the second bend. By the fourth or fifth bend I began to understand; in the meantime, I had noticed that through the entire bend Tazio did not lift his foot from the accelerator, and that, in fact, it was flat on the floor. As bend followed bend, I discovered his secret. Nuvolari entered the bend somewhat earlier than my driver's instinct would have told me to. But he went into the bend in an unusual way: with one movement he aimed the nose of the car at the inside edge, just where the curve itself started. His foot was flat down, and he had obviously changed down to the right gear before going through this fearsome rigmarole. In this way he put the car into a four-wheel drift, making the most of the thrust of the centrifugal force and keeping it on the road with the traction of the driving wheels. Throughout the bend the car shaved the inside edge, and when the bend turned into the straight the car was in the normal position for accelerating down it, with no need for any corrections."

The page I got it from

And this is the Alfa Romeo he drove back when Enzo Ferrari managed the Alfa F1 team.

I'd say what Ferrari saw from his seat as a riding mechanic was a true drifting technique.

[Dorikin]

Tazio Nuvolario

[Suislide]

Originally posted by Octagon
Ahem, straight from the mouth of Il Commendatore himself...

"At the first bend, I had the clear sensation that Tazio had taken it badly and that we would end up in the ditch; I felt myself stiffen as I waited for the crunch. Instead, we found ourselves on the next straight with the car in a perfect position. I looked at him, his rugged face was calm, just as it always was, and certainly not the face of someone who had just escaped a hair-raising spin. I had the same sensation at the second bend. By the fourth or fifth bend I began to understand; in the meantime, I had noticed that through the entire bend Tazio did not lift his foot from the accelerator, and that, in fact, it was flat on the floor. As bend followed bend, I discovered his secret. Nuvolari entered the bend somewhat earlier than my driver's instinct would have told me to. But he went into the bend in an unusual way: with one movement he aimed the nose of the car at the inside edge, just where the curve itself started. His foot was flat down, and he had obviously changed down to the right gear before going through this fearsome rigmarole. In this way he put the car into a four-wheel drift, making the most of the thrust of the centrifugal force and keeping it on the road with the traction of the driving wheels. Throughout the bend the car shaved the inside edge, and when the bend turned into the straight the car was in the normal position for accelerating down it, with no need for any corrections."

The page I got it from

And this is the Alfa Romeo he drove back when Enzo Ferrari managed the Alfa F1 team.

I'd say what Ferrari saw from his seat as a riding mechanic was a true drifting technique.

wanna cookie? it's still 2 different things and that is a form of drifting used to help shave time. drifting these days as it's own seperate motorsport is all about show-man-ship and driver skill. who cares what track time you get? that's not what you're judged on. but think what you want, i honestly don't care any more.

[2strokebloke]

Just because it isn't for show does not mean it isn't drifting. If anything, the practical use of drifting is more admirable than doing it "just cuz"
Like the point I made earlier, drifting is more than just getting sideways for fun and show - not that having fun showing off is bad at all, as it can be just as entertaining, if not more so than the "practical" uses of drifting.

[Layla's Keeper]

Originally posted by Octagon
Maybe not as a sport unto itself, but certainly the techniques involved are as ingrained into this culture as they are into Japan's...

That was the key statement from my earlier post. You must've missed it. I fully acknowledge that drifting is both a technique and a sport. But that distinction seems to be lost on many. Brian, of course drift competitions are for style and display of ability. Leaning out of your car door mid-drift certainly isn't going to shave a few tenths off a lap time, but it looks hella cool.

I love watching the videos my teammate digs up of past drift competitions and seeing the wacky stuff guys try to pull of to garner those last few style points. It's a whole different idea then the drifting used in other motorsport. But, to me, that doesn't render other types irrelevant.

[Suislide]

alright alright, i agree that they're not irrellevant. i just don't think that the F1 guys/dirt racers can be held totally responsible for drifting as we know it today. that's a little out there...