You can get it at invoice!

[longlivetheZ]

My God, children...I'm un-subscribing from this thread now. Thank you for the info, nissanguy, and I wouldn't really be surprised if you followed me in un-subscribing.

--Brent

[Highway51]

I sell about five 350Zs per month to internet customers.

I am a Fleet Mgr at a Nissan dealership in California.

Finally Nissan produces a vehicle that they don't have to give away at invoice and everyone's upset about it. Geesh, you fuckers should be thrilled that a REAL afforable Sports Car is finally available in the medium level income bracket.

Here's what I know about pricing on this vehicle. I sell the lower priced Performance and Enthusiast models at $500 of MSRP and the more expensive Touring and Track models at $1000-$1500 off MSRP depending on how many I have in stock at the time and what kind of mood my owner is in when I am responding to customer discount inquiries on this car.

If you are ready to purchase at the time of your request then anything can happen and generally does. If on the other hand you going to take a dealer's offer and whore it out all over town to see who'll beat by another $100 then who gives a shit about your ass? Certainly not the car dealer.

If I get a 350Z customer that's a certified jerk and lies to me
(by the way we all know when a customer's full of shit) or come off like thier disinterested I will usually low ball them and then proceed to tell them prices vary depending on availabilty and that I am currently sold out.

This results in the perp hunting up and down the state in search of the elusive deal with no results. Finally after a few weeks they rebound back to me and I sell them at the prices I listed above. Everyone's happy and I make $1,300


On the other hand weird shit happens in this business. Sometimes a dealer will take a skinny ass deal just to steal a deal away from a competitor he doesn't like. I do this all the time. Price wise it's a viscoius business, not for the faint of heart and there aren't very many rules.

As for ripping off customers...
The price you agree to purchase any vehicle for is always your best price. There are two things people just love to lie about. The price that they paid for their new car and how cheap they bought thier home for. Most times neither is true.

[NissanGuy76]

LOL!
Yes Please draw me an illustration.
Take your punk ass back to class and stop waisting time!
I dont care about your bullshit cause I dont need this or any other forum to sell shit.
The car sells itself you dumbass, and it will be a long long time before your ass can afford one!

See ya in 2009 fucker!

[S. Belmont]

Hey pal, lay off the doctors and dentists and any other profession that doesn't make commission. It sounds like you definitely have some type of inferiority complex or something. You shouldn't act ashamed of the fact that you don't have some type of lofty degree or job. Be proud of what you do, becuase if you aren't then it's time to move on. And if you don't care what dentistnotreally thinks about you then why do you keep trying to justify yourself to him and the rest of us? And quit attacking everyone else who reads this message board who isn't in sales. I mean it doesn't do any good to apologize in one message and then do the same thing all over again in the next one. Take some responsibility for your actions.

That said, How many 350zs do most dealerships stock in relation to their other cars? Any dealers or salesmen out there have any input on this?

[Battousai]

Hey Highway 51, how about a link to your dealership's website. You said you sold nissans over the web right? I am curious to take a peek at your stock. How are the sales going for just the base model? It seams like everyone is always talking about the track or the touring versions... They still sell a base version right?

And did that guy ever say where he got his z so cheap? Or did he just start this brawl and slip out the back door laughing? Just something to think about while the salesman is putting down everyone.

[NissanGuy76]

Who the hell are you to jump in the forum and accuse me of attacking everyone who is not a salesman.
I have only attacked a couple of people inthis thread and the guy who started it, did conveniently slip out the back door.
But he didnt hurt me, he just hurt the other consumers who are going to be fishing for something that may or may not materialize.
I dont have an inferiority complex because I have an IQ of 148 and even though that may not be a genius it is still above average intelligence.
I am proud of what I do cause not everyone can do it, I am just simply stating that nobody haggles with a doctor about outrageous prices and yet he makes enough in his first year practicing to pay off his student loans and still buy a car.
Not knocking a doctor just simply stating that if there is value n owning something then the suggested retail price shouldnt be a big deal at all!

Just as you cant put a price on peoples life and hospitals and doctors take advantage of it, but Lowe and behold we never call them crooks or think twice about paying our deductable.
Do you agree?

[tcn]

Hey NissanGuy76 .. can you check for me why my car cannot go over 128 mph while other can go up to 157 .. thanks !

[NissanGuy76]

What state do you live in and what model is it?

[S. Belmont]

There is a reason people don't haggle with doctors. It's expected for people to haggle with car salesmen. Don't blame others for this. Blame the first car salesman who allowed it to happen and all the others that continued it. It has become part of the job. If you don't like people thinking its OK to rip you off then don't let it happen to you (it sounds like you don't). I don't blame you one bit for that. I know it must suck to have some guy waltz in and demmand to get a killer deal while you go home with nothing. I agree that those guys can be jerks but that again is part of the job. Deal with it or find something else that you like doing better. Life is too short to be angry with your job.

While I think you have some some grossly inaccurate facts concerning other professions I see somewhat where you are comming from but dude, take a chill pill and calm down. Just stick to what you know and stay to the facts that are relevant to your argument. Don't try to drag others down too. I'm sure there are better places to discuss other people's jobs than an automotive forum. I am curious to know what other people in your office think about the subject. Do they get just as ticked off as you do or do they just go with the flow? Seriously... Do you guys close the door when the customer leaves and then have a good laugh? It might be the best thing under the circumstances.

[nissan350ztt]

Newzandlovinit - You sound like you are lying.

Nissanguy76- Don't say anything about doctor's b/c my Dad is one, so chill about that. Anyway, what about a good dealer in Georgia man?

denistnotreally- I am 14, I am not a salesman, might be soon though. I love cars, know a lot about them and will not bs people for a sale. Some salesmen are good and honest (don't bs), other's lie, cheat, and steal for money/a sale. You have a bad attitude, a person is a person regardless, what you said is disrespectful and mean. Your posts have been mostly wrong... A SALESMEN GETS THE PRICE BETWEEN HOW MUCH THE CAR WAS MADE FOR (HOW MUCH NISSAN MADE IT FOR), AND HOW MUCH THE DEALER SALES IT!!! Period, no questions asked... Also, you need to use better grammar.

TCN- It won't go up to 157mph, you can get it to about 130 - 140mph.

Digitalfiend- I agree with most of what you said.

Now as for nissanguy76, and denistnotreally, STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN, DENISTNOTREALLY - YOU SAID YOU WERE BEING MATURE AND STUFF BUT YOU WEREN'T, AND NISSANGUY76 - MOST YOU HAVE SAID IS CHILDISH. BOTH OF YOU STOP IT!!! IT/THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!


GROW UP!!!!!!!!!

[NissanGuy76]

Well, you know and I know that it takes a good flame war to get to 400 posts, so I found an oppurtunity. J/K
But yes I guess I have over -reacted I will admit ( No more excuses or finger pointing)!

But I love my job and I do take the good with the bad but when someone spends your time and you give them the most professional attitude you can and good product knowledge it does get aggrivated when they try to Steal a car out from under you after all the time you spent on a Saturday, it is aggrivating.
I made 100 bucks last saturday and it was aggrivating considering there were customers who will come in with reasonable offers and let you and the dealership make a little money and at the same time get a good deal for themselves.

I agree about the first salesman thing but the haggling came from the fact in WWII dealerships were Gaulging the customers for way over MSRP and every since then the consumer thinks all salesmen are crooks.
(some are)

Anyhow,as for the goergia dealership there are a couple but i could not get much CSI info.
What City are you close to?

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by NissanGuy76
But let me share this with you... The only money I make is off commission and I there is nothing I cant stand more than someone like yourself who is just out there to grind out a deal. I only make money off of the profit of the car wich is the difference between MSRP and invoice.

Sorry to hear that you only make money over the invoice. Considering the dealership is making $$$ on the holdback, you'd think that you'd get part of that too.

[NissanGuy76]

YogsVR4
OMG how right you are.
I just found out about the hold back thing today and man is that not disgusting.?

[GB Phoenix77]

I just got up from rolling on the floor laughing. Wow.. the attitudes are hilarious here.

I just wanted to throw in my $.02 on car sales.

It is not an easy job! Most car salesman work 50+ hours per week, including weekends and evenings. If the average american make $30K in their 9-5 job, shouldn't someone working more hours and less convenient hours make a bit more?

It is not an easy job! Most american's have a very bad impression of car salesman. Why? Because a lot of money is at stake. It's not like a pair of shoes at the store. Somewhere along the line, someone started the negotiation phase of car sales. If given the opportunity to save some money, every normal human being will work hard to save as much as possible. If you make $10 per hour in your job, and you are buying a car, and you can invest a few hours of your time into negotiating and shopping, and in the process save yourself $1000 or more... isn't that worth your time? Of course! So, don't blame a customer for shopping or negotiating for a low price.

On the other hand, don't blame the salesman for anything either. It's the salesman's job to sell a car at the highest price possible. The higher the price, the more income for the dealership and the more income for the salesman. Income, is after all, the reason for being there.

Saturn!!! I am sure anyone here on this website knows that the product is not very good. But, would you beleive that Saturn has the #1 Custumer Satisfaction rating in the business. Why? Because they took the negotiation out of car sales. Now, everyone pays the same. Noone goes to work the next day and finds out they paid $1000 more than their friend (which get's interpretted as a $1000 too much).


Here's a little glimpse into the future. Yesterday, we had car SALESMAN. Customer's went onto the lot, the salesman sold them on THE CAR (you know, it's features, benefits, etc...) The customer didnt' know how much profit there was. They negotiated a bit, and happily purchased a car. Today, we have NEGOTIATORS. Today, car salesman don't really sell the car. Marketing, brochures, test drives, the internet, etc... sell cars. The car salesman does what he can to influence the buyer into favoring their car. Then they go to work. Buyers now, have all sorts of info on hand. They know what the dealer pays for the vehicle, so it is their goal to get as close to that number as possible. The salesman's job is to stay as far above the invoice as possible... Without loosing the deal. Tomorrow... things will be different. Here's the trend... customers armed with more info are more successful in negotiating. More customers are buying cars at or below invoice. Income for car salesman is steadily decreasing on a per car basis. To make up for it, the salesman has to sell lot's more cars. More customers equals less time for each. Customer service declines. As this trend continues, more and more car salesman leave the business (Real Estate, Mortgage Brokers, Insurance, Financial Advising, etc...) This leaves the quality of car salesman very poor. To counter this, they Dealer's will be forced to make a change. They will get more and more cut-throat, more and more devious, and they will hire ORDER TAKERS. They will hire moron's to park cars and write contracts. They won't have to pay these high school and college kids very much. The level of customer service will continue to decline. Finally, the Manufacturers will make a change. They will go to a 1 price system. They will again hire Salesman to sell the vehicle and not the price. The days of buying at invoice will go away, and customer satisfaction will improve.

Now that you have read this LONG post (sorry), hopefully you have a little better understanding of the situation. Salesman need to understand that the customer is trying to save money. Don't be a prick to the customers when they are only doing what is natural. The customer's need to understand what it is like to be a salesman, and don't treat the salesman as the enemy. Your satisfaction with the car is more than just the price you paid to get it.

There needs to be a balance. An understanding between the customer and the salesman. They both need to give a little bit. Overall, both will be happy in the end.

I'm done!

[nissan350ztt]

Originally posted by NissanGuy76
Anyhow,as for the goergia dealership there are a couple but i could not get much CSI info.
What City are you close to?

Valdosta (Lowndes County).