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#31
06-10-2003, 06:32 AM
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Still dirt cheap for a McLaren, convert into a roadcar, still saving hundreds of thousands. Where is the car now?
I am seeing countless McLaren f1's for sale, this means they are probably at the peak price, they are soon to be overtaken by some future cars, i'm not saying they will be beaten in automotive design, just that not too many people in the future (car collectors) will buy a McLaren for more than the price they are already at. The cars will improve of other manufactures and buyers will prefer to buy a cheaper and newer alternative. As a McLaren owner said in his personal review, McLaren Cars say McLarens will keep going up in price, but he confermed they are definately not. How many are for sale at the moment, or in the recent past? My point. Anyone know where the McLaren F1 spare chassis #101 is? Someone said in a previous thread that it is at McLaren cars used for future owners, the compulsary driving test which every McLaren owner needs to do. I think its is Japan, or it is? Was it the one made from extra McLaren parts? or is that a different car? if it is thats 108 McLaren chassis but I highly doubt that. Another thing i dispise is McLaren owners who only own one for the sake of vanity "I own the best car in the world" They dont apreciate it. McLaren cars should only sell cars to people who truely admire the car. Take the car in the thread "There is no God". That just pissed me off. rgrds -Mike 
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#32
06-10-2003, 10:49 AM
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a few things, the car at that show is not repainted it chassis #73, AMG Green Velvet and yes, it is a delightful color. he also owns chassis #011R, which is a 1996 GTR thats painted historic orange:
 Dan kennedy is probably asking too much for his mclaren adn thats probably why it isn't getting sold. he uses it almost every day, and while i don't condone this, i would too, it really hurts the resale. i think he is using the extra equipment in it as a excuse for people to buy it. its also got quite a few stone chips on it and the mileage must at least be in the 20k's. The problem with rocks under the mclaren is quite simple, the mclaren has a sheet of metal unterneath and 2 fans to the side (forget about these), this sheet of metal ends in a diffuser at the rear. when rocks damage the sheet of metal the airflow under the car is changed. not you may think this does not matter, but considering the relies heavily on that under metal (and its spoiler) to develop downforce, and going at 150 you would probably notice a significant change in the handling of the car. the communications device on dans car is an option put on there by mclaren, i don't believe its an aftermarket deal. The spare tub was kept at mclaren and was used for spare parts, the gtr racing in japan with spare parts is different. and yes, i aggree with the vanity thing, people should know about the car they are driving. i met a carrera 4s owner and someone had parked a turbo next it and he thought his car and the turbo are the same thing, its just something you have to live with.
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#33
06-10-2003, 10:53 AM
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also the onlt brothers that i know of that have an f1 are the gonzales' this is the mclaren that was for sale @ motorcars intl and was seen in blackhawk museum. its located in texas now and they have been known to take the car up to arizona and race against superbikes. dunno about the communicaions thing.
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#34
06-10-2003, 12:55 PM
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mini magic,
I have information that Dan Kennedy's car has been sold. But I don't know for sure. Like the rest of the car, the underskirt is carbon fibre, not steel. Using it everyday causes wear and tear. If you maintain it properly, it should not affect the value too much, unless you get to the point where an engine rebuild is necessary. I don't think any McLaren has that kind of mileage. Stone chips are cosmetic. They can easily be fixed. They don't affect the value significantly. And small scratches will not affect airflow significantly. You won't notice this unless you are going over 200, not 150. McLaren Mike, can you please list the countless McLarens you are seeing for sale? I know of 6 only. Their prices holding steady in this economy is still a very unique phenomenon. Every other car's price is going down, except the Enzo, and that is still very new. Once all the deliveries have been made, I think the Enzo's price will not appreciate or hold like the McLaren's. I don't think the F1 has been overtaken by any other car yet. When it is, then I am sure that car will also appreciate. The Ojjeh brothers had two cars, although one has been sold since then. The Gonzalez brothers had one car. Dan Kennedy does not have another family member with another McLaren. He uses the communications device to communicate with other cars if they are driving together.
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#35
06-10-2003, 01:48 PM
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right
as far as i know there are 9 cars for sale. i will mention them all with the colors there is the #24R EMKA 97 GTR @ taylor and crawley there are 2 silver/blue roadcars @ taylor and crawley the blue car that is auctioned shortly @ christies ( ? ) dan kennedy's car there's one bronzesilver/grey car in germany @ auto salon singen as well as a silver/black car @ auto salon singen (check http://www.auto-salon-singen.com ) the '95 GTR @ oakfields which has been modified for road use and there's the SOK (originally Team LARK) #19R 97 GTR @ symbolic motors there's one other car that is maybe worth mentioning. it's on http://www.mclarenf1.de/ it's a 1994 black/black road car, but the general dealer site (Schaefer Automobile GmbH - http://www.schaefer-automobile.de/ ) sais it has no mclaren, so this an unsure car. does anybody have more info on this one? so 9 or 10 cars for sale, if dan's car hasn't been sold
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#36
06-10-2003, 02:16 PM
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there is also one here, it may be old tho: http://carclassic.com/html/DF42.htm , altho, it says it has a hd kit and the car in the pics doesn't and it says is a gt and its not so i dunno whats going on there.
tvrfreak, ur right, i guess i don't know as much as i thought i did.
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#37
06-10-2003, 02:19 PM
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#38
06-10-2003, 02:55 PM
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correction
that is 4 you won't see the second silver mclaren of taylor and crawley because it is located in another garage than the 32a wilton row anyway nice 2 see the cars, but the real meaning of your epic journey is to find out the chassis number of the park lane car  rgrds maarten
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#39
06-10-2003, 02:56 PM
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btw
my guess is that the carclassic.com car is the bronzesilver car from auto salon singen looks very similar to the pics i have connection is slow so surf there yourself im not going to uplaod
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#40
06-10-2003, 03:26 PM
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i forgot another car
shame on me there's definately 10 for sale jkbon attended us on this one, nobody really paid attention. it is a Violet Blue on Beige Leather mclaren f1 with a hdf kit and it is for sale at MMC in paris. http://www.mmc-paris.fr/voiture_mode...asp?marque=16# as you click on the description, and then click on the top left foto, you will notice a small antenna. is this a car from one of the (ojjeh, is that correct?) brothers? regards (this is the tenth car for sale)
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#41
06-10-2003, 04:10 PM
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mirage
It is true that there are many F1s for sale at the moment, but historically that has been true for the car at this time of year. I know of 8 cars currently advertised for sale with another three avaialable and one Amerispec car to be available soon.
AutoSalon Singen rarely has the cars it advertises and most of their cars are on consignment. Personally, I will never do business with them. My last occassion allowed me to find the owner of the 959 they (and several others) advertised. Ditto for many of the German car brokers as they typically advertise cars they have no contract to sell! And cars driven in Germany are well used and therefore, caveat emptor. David Clark (Taylor and Crawley) was the original marketing/sales person for McLaren on the F1 and sold most every car. Therefore, he knows the owners past, present, and future. Although the Amerispec debacle caused Ron Dennis and DC to have a tiff, things were patched up long ago. DC still enjoys a cooperative McLaren. DC usually has first access to many cars.
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#42
06-10-2003, 04:15 PM
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could be right
singen advertised 5 cars @ first but they had nog pics of the cars in their showroom, i emailed them to find out what's true now they have only two cars, but with showroom pics, so it could be true though
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#43
06-10-2003, 04:54 PM
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umm i don't know about that car, it could be the car @ christies, but i'll know in 5 days..., the car at christies was repainted so the car at christies is unique and i doubt that there are 2 of that color. comparing the car there to the christies car, they appear exactly the same, upgraded stereo and everything. i'm sure they are the same cars
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#44
06-10-2003, 04:59 PM
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i think they mean they can source 5.
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#45
06-23-2003, 10:53 AM
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could the owner of #11R, #073 and another car be Lars Magnussen?
cuz my uncle knows that guy, and man o man, is he rich. and i thought he's swedish and he lives in holland someone some info? xotech, get back here!
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