Dart with TPI 305?

[RaspinAspen]

Well, I don't have C-clip Eliminators for my 9.25 and feel that I really won't need them. But I believe Moser Engineering(?) has something about that. Something about using 8.75 bearings, axle retainers, etc. Don't quote me for sure on that, though if you're a racer, it would be worth checking into. Do a search on rear axle specialists, like Currie, Moser,etc. I saw it somewhere but I'm just can't remember where!

[frankendart]

Originally posted by RaspinAspen

Keep your Mopar all Mopar, Gm all Gm, Ford all Ford!

I'd have to agree.

Keep the engine and the body from the same manufacturer. A well built 305 would certainly do beter in a NOVA, than a Dart. A well built 318 or 360 would be the ticket for the dart.

Frank

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by RaspinAspen
Well, I don't have C-clip Eliminators for my 9.25 and feel that I really won't need them. But I believe Moser Engineering(?) has something about that. Something about using 8.75 bearings, axle retainers, etc. Don't quote me for sure on that, though if you're a racer, it would be worth checking into. Do a search on rear axle specialists, like Currie, Moser,etc. I saw it somewhere but I'm just can't remember where!

Oh, well I don't want to get into axle changing and all that stuff. That gets expensive like you said. I'll stick with the 3.90 geared 9.25 sure-grip then.
Thanks

[RaspinAspen]

Originally posted by frankendart


I'd have to agree.

Keep the engine and the body from the same manufacturer. A well built 305 would certainly do beter in a NOVA, than a Dart. A well built 318 or 360 would be the ticket for the dart.

Frank

Right. However, I was THIS close to dropping a built 440/727 into an '82 Firebird Trans Am I had about 5 years ago. But then the resale value would have been nearly worthless. (I would have had fun though! At least until the rear axle exploded and the T-top car would have twisted nearly in half anyway) All the Mopar people would say "...wasted a good 440 on a GM.." and all the GM folks would've said "....ruined a good car...." So, I just built a 350 Chevy for it and sent it on its merry way, and nobody complained.

[chevy305man]

well, ive got a 305 and with the proper modifications itll out strip most cars out there... ever think of pucnhing it out or slaping in a 400 crank and ditching all stock parts. with those simple modifications you might as well just tell people you have a 350 under the hood.... btw just a little f.y.i., you can get a whoping 500 hp out of a little 305, beleive it or not but youll know when i flash past you........ hehe, k but yeah you can turn a 305 into a 350. but why do all that when you can just get a 350.... well why fix up a 350 when you can get a 383. you can get as much hp out of a 350 as you can with a 383... but 305 last a lot longer then anything out there, proven fact.... some guy has a camero with over 500,000 miles on it with its original 305 in it, everything is original inside the motor, only thing replaced was the starter and water pump just the small things that go out no matter how good you treat your baby.... oh and oh and PWMAN... shut up, if that man manages to put that motor in the Dart.... all he has to do is spend just a little money and he has to know what hes doing and that damn thing will blow the doors off anything with no problem

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by chevy305man

well, ive got a 305 and with the proper modifications itll out strip most cars out there... ever think of pucnhing it out or slaping in a 400 crank and ditching all stock parts. with those simple modifications you might as well just tell people you have a 350 under the hood.... btw just a little f.y.i., you can get a whoping 500 hp out of a little 305, beleive it or not but youll know when i flash past you........ hehe, k but yeah you can turn a 305 into a 350. but why do all that when you can just get a 350.... well why fix up a 350 when you can get a 383. you can get as much hp out of a 350 as you can with a 383... but 305 last a lot longer then anything out there, proven fact.... some guy has a camero with over 500,000 miles on it with its original 305 in it, everything is original inside the motor, only thing replaced was the starter and water pump just the small things that go out no matter how good you treat your baby.... oh and oh and PWMAN... shut up, if that man manages to put that motor in the Dart.... all he has to do is spend just a little money and he has to know what hes doing and that damn thing will blow the doors off anything with no problem

LOL, you are about as crooked as an IRS agent buddy.
Sticking a 400 crank into a 305 is pretty dumb, with .030 over you get a wopping 334 cubic inches. Here's the problem, a small cubic inch motor's nature is to rev high. So, you have a huge stroke, and an engine you have to rev the piss out of. Can you say bottom end problems? Ventilating the block with a connecting rod? You would have to put so much money into the bottom end, it would be most cost effective to go with a 340 or 360 mopar. Hell, it would be cheaper to stroke a 360, and get 408 CID small block chrysler.
Ahh the other problem is you are limited on heads, I would be surprised if you could fit 1.94/1.60 valves. Where as the engines with 4'' bore can fit 2.08/1.65 valves. Now I know your argument would be to knotch the cylinder heads, OK well add that to the $$$ list that is already insane to begin with.
Not to mention all the money it would cost to fabricate the K member to get a SBC to fit in there. Add that, plus what it would cost to beef up a 305/334 to 500 HP, and you could have a 600 horse 408 CID small block chrysler(not to mention 550 ft/lbs) and money left over too.
It will certainly not ''blow the doors off anything''. Even if you stroked the 305 to the 334 CID, you might get 450 ft/lbs out of it with 500 HP. If you kept it a 305 you might have 400 ft/lbs with 500 HP. ooooooo

[chevy305man]

you know, thats kinda odd that a 305 has nothing in it.... did you know they sometimes put the 305 into drag cars..... what and i think some of them top out over 200mph, dont argue with that one, i used to watch my dad build the dang things for then.... oh and why did they put that "doggy" motor in that, well to tell you the truth, its small light and theres a lot you can do to it. not to mention itll take a pretty good beating. and for torque, im gunna be putting that 305 in my chevy 4x4 and 400 ft/lbs is pretty good so im not worried about that.... though when it comes the day my friend with a 92 firechicken opps i mean firebird wants to race me, ill blow him off the road with the same motor... he doesnt beleive it but i guess he will when im a mile down the road and hes sitin in my dust. but i guess it helps that my truck is packing 4/11 gears heavy duty pullin gears i might add though you can get better, he may beat me off the line but i sure as hell am gunna go flashin past shortly after.... oh and for all this b.s. about your stupid dodge and chryler motor ..... dude, they suck, if you got a himi and i mean an old himi not this new crap dodge is putting out then come talkin to me about powerful motor, otherwise move aside and watch me and my 305 go by cause itll have more power then what you speak of. oh and here for a little humor.... heres what ill give for your dodge crap ......just to see it all melted down and shiped to a pop can factory

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by chevy305man

you know, thats kinda odd that a 305 has nothing in it.... did you know they sometimes put the 305 into drag cars..... what and i think some of them top out over 200mph, dont argue with that one, i used to watch my dad build the dang things for then.... oh and why did they put that "doggy" motor in that, well to tell you the truth, its small light and theres a lot you can do to it. not to mention itll take a pretty good beating. and for torque, im gunna be putting that 305 in my chevy 4x4 and 400 ft/lbs is pretty good so im not worried about that.... though when it comes the day my friend with a 92 firechicken opps i mean firebird wants to race me, ill blow him off the road with the same motor... he doesnt beleive it but i guess he will when im a mile down the road and hes sitin in my dust. but i guess it helps that my truck is packing 4/11 gears heavy duty pullin gears i might add though you can get better, he may beat me off the line but i sure as hell am gunna go flashin past shortly after.... oh and for all this b.s. about your stupid dodge and chryler motor ..... dude, they suck, if you got a himi and i mean an old himi not this new crap dodge is putting out then come talkin to me about powerful motor, otherwise move aside and watch me and my 305 go by cause itll have more power then what you speak of. oh and here for a little humor.... heres what ill give for your dodge crap ......just to see it all melted down and shiped to a pop can factory

This made for some amusing reading. LOL

So if you are putting this in a truck, what cam are you using? Heads? Valve sizes?

ooooooo so you can beat a stock 305 firebird that has 170 HP.

Oh yeah it's HEMI not HIMI moron

Oh and engines are made cast iron not aluminum like soda cans

[PWMAN]

Look, I never said the 305 was a piece of crap OK. I am saying that a 305 into a MOPAR would be more trouble than what it's worth. It's called cost effectiveness, and since you are only 16 you have no idea the true meaning of that because daddy gives you everything. Do you even have a job? Buying your own vehicles and parts? I don't think so because if you did there would be no way you would spend the money to get 400 HP out of a 305 when for the same price you can get 600 out of a 400 CID. You don't know because you don't have to buy the parts.
You can also get 500 HP out of a 1.8L Honda, but it costs (atleast)twice as much as getting 500 HP out of a 350.

[chevy305man]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

Look, I never said the 305 was a piece of crap OK. I am saying that a 305 into a MOPAR would be more trouble than what it's worth. It's called cost effectiveness, and since you are only 16 you have no idea the true meaning of that because daddy gives you everything. Do you even have a job? Buying your own vehicles and parts? I don't think so because if you did there would be no way you would spend the money to get 400 HP out of a 305 when for the same price you can get 600 out of a 400 CID. You don't know because you don't have to buy the parts.
You can also get 500 HP out of a 1.8L Honda, but it costs (atleast)twice as much as getting 500 HP out of a 350.

well, just a little inside scoop.... i happen to work harder then any one i know with a manual labor job making (though its not a lot but it is for a 16 y/o kid) $10 and no daddy isnt giving me crap, i worked off that motor and im working off the truck. and another thing, with $500 i can have that motor with my 400hp. trust me, daddies a mechanic and his daddy is a mechanic too oh and my uncle frank is a mechanic oh and not to mention a racing vet. (you know, the ones with the lifetime passes to any and every track at any seat) i dunno, i guess your right. a 16 y/o kid born around motors, motors, and more motors all spiffed up by 3 insane men who live off their work wouldn’t know jack crap would he. you know for a 16 y/o kid having built his first motor when i was 13 (ford 302 sitting in my garage with over 500 hp and over 4,500 in parts, not parts out of a parts store either, specially made and ordered from nascar.... oh inside scoop on that, its the 302 they banned cause Chevy and dodge could keep up with it) and dude, why the hell would i want to spend money on a dodge or Honda motor..... im going for Chevy, Dodge and Honda wont fit. and for about 2,500 you can get about 700hp out a 350, but it wouldn’t be a 350, itd be a 355. so all i have to say is that i busted my ass to get my stuff, daddy has yet to give me anything for a car.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by chevy305man

well, just a little inside scoop.... i happen to work harder then any one i know with a manual labor job making (though its not a lot but it is for a 16 y/o kid) $10 and no daddy isnt giving me crap, i worked off that motor and im working off the truck. and another thing, with $500 i can have that motor with my 400hp. trust me, daddies a mechanic and his daddy is a mechanic too oh and my uncle frank is a mechanic oh and not to mention a racing vet. (you know, the ones with the lifetime passes to any and every track at any seat) i dunno, i guess your right. a 16 y/o kid born around motors, motors, and more motors all spiffed up by 3 insane men who live off their work wouldn’t know jack crap would he. you know for a 16 y/o kid having built his first motor when i was 13 (ford 302 sitting in my garage with over 500 hp and over 4,500 in parts, not parts out of a parts store either, specially made and ordered from nascar.... oh inside scoop on that, its the 302 they banned cause Chevy and dodge could keep up with it) and dude, why the hell would i want to spend money on a dodge or Honda motor..... im going for Chevy, Dodge and Honda wont fit. and for about 2,500 you can get about 700hp out a 350, but it wouldn’t be a 350, itd be a 355. so all i have to say is that i busted my ass to get my stuff, daddy has yet to give me anything for a car.

Well I'm glad to here that, seriously.

The dodge and Honda thing was just an example OK. ''Dodge and Honda won't fit'' - No kidding thats why I suggested to the starter of the thread not to put a chevy in a dodge! Even if he said 383 stroker making 500 HP my opinion would have been the same.
It doesn't have to be a 355. You can keep the bore standard, just rehone it.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by chevy305man

and another thing, with $500 i can have that motor with my 400hp.

Again I say sure you can get 400 HP, no problem. But to get that much HP you are going to sacrifice torque(bad for a truck)because you are going to need a good size cam.

[chevy305man]

oh thought a head on that one, im on the look out. dad says he knows what to do, and hounestly, how musch torque do you really think will come out of that with 400hp i hope decent...

[chevy305man]

wait, what is the biggest cam i can get for really good torque? i mean if i get the biggest one made i should be fine right???

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by chevy305man

oh thought a head on that one, im on the look out. dad says he knows what to do, and hounestly, how musch torque do you really think will come out of that with 400hp i hope decent...

Maybe 375 ft/lbs.

As for the cam, well are you going to run a hydraulic, solid, or roller cam?

For a hydraulic, the best cam for torque would be made by comp cams, Dual Energy series, the 255DEH(cam grind #)part number 12-207-2 which as a split duration of 203/[email protected]'' and lift of .421/.451". Now a good combo for HP and torque would be the next step up in the dual energy series the 265DEH which has 211/221 [email protected]'' and .442/.462. You will have to have REALLY good heads and good compression(9.5:1) to get 400 HP with good torque out of a hydraulic cam.
The best idea would be to go to a hydraulic roller cam, they have good torque and you can run more duration and get more power but still have torque unlike a regular hydraulic.
Comp cams makes retro-fit roller cams in their Extreme Energy series. A decent one for a good combo of torque and HP would be the XR270HR part number 12-422-8 and it has 218/224 duration and .495/.502 lift.