Recap of Japanese F1 fleet - Part 1 - Page 3

mini magic · #81 10-29-2005, 07:03 PM

carclassic is not a dealer. The car was sold through Oakfields

It could very well be 028R. In fact, its almost identical to how 028R appeared at Spa in '97

BMW.WilliamsF1Team · #82 10-29-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mini magic

carclassic is not a dealer. The car was sold through Oakfields

It could very well be 028R. In fact, its almost identical to how 028R appeared at Spa in '97

I never said they were a dealer. I merely said that it was "for sale on" CarClassic.com. I can put my car "for sale on" Autotrader.com, but that doesn't mean Autotrader.com is a dealer.

Peloton25 · #83 10-29-2005, 07:23 PM

GTR #28R also finished the FIA GT season at Laguna Seca in 1997 wearing race number '1'

It didn't race under any other liveries since then, so the hypothesis seems likely.

>8^)
ER

FortuneF1 · #84 10-29-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mini magic

I was going to wait until either me or Erik can identify this car but i figgure why not. This was taken at a dealer in Japan. I have emailed them asking for more info and if i get a reply, i'll be sure to share it. Enjoy the pic

am i dead? i could sware i just caught a glimpse of heaven... somebody pinch me please...

Peloton25 · #85 10-29-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FortuneF1

am i dead? i could sware i just caught a glimpse of heaven... somebody pinch me please...

I'm not able to post the words I uttered when I first saw that photo.

I do believe that it isn't a photo of one collection. I think the cars were brought together there for a "shock and awe" photo to be used on the main page of a website or in advertisements. That picture is taken on the second floor of the dealership and there weren't any other photos on their site of those cars or any mention of them being for sale.

Impressive shot though - and as Chris mentioned - it must have been taken quite recently with the MC12 being present.

>8^)
ER

mini magic · #86 10-29-2005, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

I'm not able to post the words I uttered when I first saw that photo.

Uttered? A bit of an understatement

FortuneF1 · #87 10-30-2005, 03:45 AM

so did anyone else happen to notice the absence of the enzo? ...stupid enzo...

bucciali · #88 10-30-2005, 09:06 AM

Wow!

I was wondering where the Gulf GTR's were....

Nice to see such a gathering of supercars

jayfive · #89 10-30-2005, 03:27 PM

has anyone actually noticed the f50 gt in that shot theres three in the world, rarer than a lm f1

F1 monster · #90 10-30-2005, 06:53 PM

Yes, absolutely amazing.

FortuneF1 · #91 10-31-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jayfive

has anyone actually noticed the f50 gt in that shot theres three in the world, rarer than a lm f1

maybe more rare than an f1 lm, but not more rare than a f1 gt...

bucciali · #92 10-31-2005, 02:30 AM

Touché!

ArchangelGTR · #93 10-31-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FortuneF1

maybe more rare than an f1 lm, but not more rare than a f1 gt...

And also not quite as fast. Besides the F1 GT has racing pedigree. F50 GT?.. Stillborn...

FortuneF1 · #94 10-31-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchangelGTR

And also not quite as fast. Besides the F1 GT has racing pedigree. F50 GT?.. Stillborn...

not even a stillborn, more like an abortion... sorry if i offend anyone...

F1 monster · #95 10-31-2005, 07:21 PM

Nevertheless, the F50 GT s a very, very special car.

FortuneF1 · #96 10-31-2005, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by F1 monster

Nevertheless, the F50 GT s a very, very special car.

yeah but as you may or may not have noticed throughout these forums, im not a big fan of ferrari, or porsche... due to the political pull they have in the racing world. rules and regulation changes always seem to be made when either ferrari or porsche cant win and they start whining because they are getting their asses handed to them. when was the last time you heard mclaren whining when they were doing shitty?

Peloton25 · #97 11-01-2005, 08:10 PM

Bucialli PMd me as he was headed to bed to let me know that the user F48Koenig had posted this gem over on SCF.com today:

It may be a small photo, but I know I said "Wow" when I saw it...

His caption reads: "Pics of the workshop of Iding Power, a Japanese Tuner, with some enzo's up and on the lift, and a darkgray F1 under the lift."

This looks to me like it can only be the Tag Heuer F1 - which if I have not mentioned in this thread - is suspected by me of being chassis #012.

This is the first new photo I have seen of this car in over a year, and the existence of the Enzo in that shot serves to show that it's a fairly recent one. The car does look a bit dusty and it appears to me that all the stickers have been removed. Hopefully more pics or info will turn up soon.

>8^)
Erik

FortuneF1 · #98 11-01-2005, 08:40 PM

an amazing photo indeed, there also appears to be an f355 in the background of the photo... i like this color on the f1! sort of an in-between silver and gunmetal color... i have not seen many photos of the tag heuer car

Peloton25 · #99 11-01-2005, 09:21 PM

Iding Power is a Japanese tuner of Ferraris and BMWs. Look up the Iding Power F365 and you should find some photos/info on them.

>8^)
ER

F1 monster · #**100** 11-02-2005, 12:20 AM

Great find!

bobbejaan · #**101** 11-03-2005, 05:05 AM

very nice thread guys

i love the Mclaren F1

is there a list of all of the F1's in the world ?

murraydeschot · #**102** 11-03-2005, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbejaan

is there a list of all of the F1's in the world ?

The book "Driving Ambition" - probably the greatest and most accurate source of information on the history and development of the F1, aside, of course, from our own "Brains Trust" here - has a pull-out supplement which lists every car produced, their respective V.I.N. numbers and the exterior body colour when produced (many were subsequently resprayed when they were sold on).

However, for obvious confidentiality issues, it doesn't list the locations of the cars.

peter i · #**103** 11-03-2005, 09:35 AM

you guy really a F1 Nuts! Great Pic

hurstg01 · #**104** 11-03-2005, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

The car does look a bit dusty and it appears to me that all the stickers have been removed. Hopefully more pics or info will turn up soon.

>8^)
Erik

The F1 doesn't look too dusty here though

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http://translate.google.com/translat...lr%3D%26sa%3DN

scroll down a bit and the great car is there for all to see

murraydeschot · #**105** 11-03-2005, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hurstg01

The F1 doesn't look too dusty here though

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http://translate.google.com/translat...lr%3D%26sa%3DN

scroll down a bit and the great car is there for all to see

Quote:

Originally Posted by Article

One unit of next term leading aggressive machine candidacy of middle bridge house of 3 house families. When (lottery it hits?)
The super car rumblingly doing, it increased.

Anyone translate Jinglish to English?!

hurstg01 · #**106** 11-03-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by murraydeschot

Anyone translate Jinglish to English?!

Google translation aide - not the best in the world

F1 monster · #**107** 11-03-2005, 11:27 AM

Sorry, haven't touched Japanese in five years so it's a bit rusty...but, in conjunction with my friend, here's a better translation:
Next up in the contenders for ultimate supercar is this candidate, which seats three. For lottery winners only, it's quick-revving motor raised the standard [ either at this meet or for all supercars--not sure what the author is implying...but he's giddy about it!].

Peloton25 · #**108** 11-03-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hurstg01

The F1 doesn't look too dusty here though

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http://translate.google.com/translat...lr%3D%26sa%3DN

scroll down a bit and the great car is there for all to see

Very cool!

Note that your photo appears on a page from 1997, whereas the shot Bucialli found for us by way of another forum is from March of 2005. Both are sourced from the same website.

I think he's already trying to get a high res version, more shots if possible, and more info from the website owner. I'd love to know that my speculation on the chassis number is right, but really I'm just happy to see that car is alive and well, and still in Japan.

>8^)
ER

peter i · #**109** 11-03-2005, 03:49 PM

I feel Lucky to know AF F1 forums

murraydeschot · #**110** 11-04-2005, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by F1 monster

Sorry, haven't touched Japanese in five years so it's a bit rusty...but, in conjunction with my friend, here's a better translation:
Next up in the contenders for ultimate supercar is this candidate, which seats three. For lottery winners only, it's quick-revving motor raised the standard [ either at this meet or for all supercars--not sure what the author is implying...but he's giddy about it!].

Thanks, I thought it sounded enthusiastic, if somewhat garbled.

bucciali · #**111** 11-04-2005, 03:53 AM

Hello chaps,

Some more info has come available.....

...but not on the dark gray one we recently discovered unfortunately. Still waiting for a response from that webmaster.

No, it's a set of pictures I found the other day of an F1 for sale in Japan. I don't think it's a new one for us.
Here is the set:

It is for sale at Bingo Sports, http://www.bingosport.co.jp, view their 'Stocklist'. The ad is here:
http://search.carhoo.jp/4155/car_detail1051000944.html
Let me know if you can get more out of the Japanese than I could.

It could very well be the car we have seen before, the one we think is either #010 or #070.
I have been in contact with the garage to ask for chassis and other information, but they were unwilling to share anything but the price

A whopping 200,000,000.00 JPY which translates into a meager 1,700,820.15 USD :22yikes:

I have asked my contact to see if he can get more out of them, but no word yet from him.

That was my good news to send you off to a good weekend!

/Bucciali

hurstg01 · #**112** 11-04-2005, 05:48 AM

intersting colour combo in the 4th pic. is that red carpet or that red criss-cross metal matting type thing (know what i mean?!)?

amanichen · #**113** 11-04-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hurstg01

intersting colour combo in the 4th pic. is that red carpet or that red criss-cross metal matting type thing (know what i mean?!)?

I wonder if it's a temporary protector for the true carpet?

hurstg01 · #**114** 11-04-2005, 09:33 AM

is this one still in Japan?

http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~express/sceni...99/cgmw99.html

my bad if it has already been covered here, but i cant read japanese

ArchangelGTR · #**115** 11-04-2005, 09:44 AM

Excellent find Bucciali!

bucciali · #**116** 11-04-2005, 10:10 AM

Thanks ArchangelGTR!

Hurstg01, I think that one, presumably 003, is the one we just stumbled upon earlier on in this thread. The dusty one at Iding power.

Is that indeed what you were thinking, Erik?

/Bucciali

Peloton25 · #**117** 11-04-2005, 12:00 PM

No - not at all actually. The dusty one at Iding Power looks to be the Tag Heuer car to me - #4 on your original list - which I strongly believe is chassis #012.

#003 is what the black one that hurst posted should be, and I haven't seen any evidence that it has left Japan, so we'll leave it there for now.

>8^)
ER

mini magic · #**118** 11-04-2005, 03:15 PM

bucciali, great work. I'd been on that site recently but couldn't work out where to go (even with babelfish translator). Btw, the site is

http://www.bingosport.co.jp/

I think you added an "s" onto the end of yours

mini magic · #**119** 11-04-2005, 03:16 PM

btw, the ad says its a '94 so if thats right, it can't be 070

Peloton25 · #**120** 11-04-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mini magic

btw, the ad says its a '94 so if thats right, it can't be 070

Yeah - I think we are dealing with two plain silver F1s over there for sure, plus the silver car with the red stripe, for a total of three.

If you look at the entry on page one of this thread that's marked #010/#070, I think that the photos taken inside what appears to be a repair garage would be the same F1 that is now for sale at BingoSport. Certainly the four additional holes in the front bumper have the exact same pattern.

When the car believed to be #070 was seen at the Matsuda breakfast meeting, there was nothing red in the interior either. It's hard to tell with the limited angles on the BingoSport car, but I am hopeful that the red we are seeing are simply a set floormats.

Assuming that the year in the ad is correct and the paint color we are seeing here is original, possible chassis numbers for this BingoSport car are #001 (doubtful), #006, #009, #010, & #013.

>8^)
ER

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