david-b's 95 Eagle Talon ESi-T Motor Build

[vanilla gorilla]

Originally Posted by SilvrEclipse

Glad its finally running man. I cant believe you got the hood to shut without denting the manifold. That wreck must have lifted the front support a little to give you some more clearence. Or maybe the hood pins allow for more clearence, I had to push mine down till the latch would catch.

The panels on the car look like they line up basically perfectly. I'm guessing that its just poor craftsmanship of the manifolds. Theres probably just that much variance between units.

[david-b]

The hood closes and latches perfectly. There's not contact with anything. It think it actually fits better now than it did the first time I took the hood off. The passengerside has always seemed to sit higher, but it's dead flush now on both sides and the front.

I'm sure the wrech had nothing to do with it. I only dented the upper part of the front radiator support, which was cut out and a new one welded in place. We s hould measure our units one day haha. Anyway you want to look at it... all I needed was those little cuts on the hood.

Thanks for the kind words, guys. Can't wait to get back there and get some more tuning done.

EDIT: Oh and that front pic (like all the rest) was taken with my camera phone. That one had the flash on, and it was almost pitch black outside. Odd how bright it ended up coming out. Also, the headlights were off. Only thing on were the parking lights.

[cantgo2fast]

Congrats man. Car looks amazing, I love black. So you like the 6puck clutch? My clutch (stock) is on its last legs and im going to need a new one. the 6puck is streetable?

[david-b]

Originally Posted by cantgo2fast

Congrats man. Car looks amazing, I love black. So you like the 6puck clutch? My clutch (stock) is on its last legs and im going to need a new one. the 6puck is streetable?

Thank you thank you. Can't wait for a repaint... needs it badly.

Like I said I only drove it like 8 blocks which is nothing but it's nice and stiff. It feels great, but not sure how much of a fan I will be of it in Chicago rush hour. Thus another reason why I bought a DD. Just needed something to hold ~400hp, and the 4.3 6puck was one of the best I could find for teh 420a with a good price.

[david-b]

So 2 weekends in a row and it's been nothing but fail. Car won't start, when it does it won't idle. And now it does nothing. Wasted 2 weekend, both days, making the car literally move just inches. This thing is pissing me off so badly. The 'For Sale' sign is back in the window (in the garage sadly).

Thing will crank all day, backfire with Flood Clear on, and turn over every once in awhile.

-Was low on gas so I filled up 1/4 tank with fresh gas
-Checked all wiring... all good
-Got shocked off the coil while checking for spark. When spark plug was in boot, no spark though. Plugs were burnt and fouled so replacing hopefully today.
-Battery is totally shot and won't hold a charge anymore and been jumping off the Monte Carlo ALL day when working on it
-Start fluid will get it fired up and then burn off and die
-Have fuel pressure
-No leaks
-Reloaded old maps, new maps... anything for MSnS to try to get that thing started. Nothing seems to be working. Changed cranking PW to read temp from MAT instead of CLT
-Rewired coolant temp sensor (still showing ~80*)


And the part that sucks is that it's cold. This weekend was 35* so not too too bad, but today is the last warm day probably for the year they're saying. Going to be 40*, and then low 20s all week. Very very unhappy with this. May just put the car under wraps and wait til spring. Fed up with it.

[SilvrEclipse]

Dave whether the plugs are bad or not the PW is still dropping to 0 as soon as the motor fires right? Well on the log you sent me it didn't drop to 0 but to 4ms i think. If its dropping to 0ms now then its not going to run like that. If you plan on putting the car up for a while may want to send me MS and I can check it out and maybe eliminate that variable.

[david-b]

It looks as if it was the battery causing the problems. I've been jumping it each time I try starting, and been using a car and a jumper in order to get it working. Took my DieHard back to Sears and got yet another free battery replacement. Sweet.

Took it home, and she fired right up. It was only 30* and everythings not dialed in for those temps, so she died after a rough idle. Tried a couple quick maps and got nothing then. But, she started. Now the temps are going back below 20s for a while so I won't work on it until once it gets a little warmer. Took the battery out put in the basement for now so it doesn't lose the charge. So unless I find some good cold settings with a similar setup to mine, I probably won't try to get her running until it gets warmer. It's sad.

[ned032002]

Well that's a relief!! This weather sucks for trying to work on a car.

[david-b]

Ya I don't mind 40s or above, but when it gets below that my hands crack (got frost bite working on the Talon last year) and they bleed all over the place if not wearing gloves. I'll still head back there to finish up some other stuff when it's decent temp, like have to readjust the IC piping, going to make a custom TB cover and make a custom ECU box/cover thing. Also have to finish up the interior.

[ned032002]

Well at least it's stuff that you can do here and there. TB cover?

[david-b]

Timing Belt cover. I didn't put any of the cover back on when I built the motor. It was destroyed from when I did the head. I'm thinking I do want at least the bottom covered up. I'm going to take some sheet metal and make a lower cover. Looking at the 420a block, there's lots of threaded holes. I do wish I had done this before the motor was in, but whatever.

[vanilla gorilla]

I dont see how the battery could have kept the car from starting, if you were jumping it. You must have some doo doo jumper cables or somthing.

But yea I would atleast put a lower cover on it. I always leave my top cover off all my cars, I like to keep my eye on the timing belt.

[david-b]

Originally Posted by vanilla gorilla

I dont see how the battery could have kept the car from starting, if you were jumping it. You must have some doo doo jumper cables or somthing.

I used to be able to jump the car with just jumper. Got those little rechargable units. Last year I jumped it with no battery in the car. That was sweet. This year couldn't do that at all.

I had to have it hooked up to the other car, and sometimes have 2 jumper units on the battery just to get it to crank.

[ned032002]

I thought you were talking about a throttle body cover...I was like WTF?

[david-b]

Originally Posted by ned032002

I thought you were talking about a throttle body cover...I was like WTF?

Haha... ya I shoulda clearified