Spec-V vs. Prelude

[Creagach]

even from nissan guys,i've heard that the new srt-4 is the car to beat for affordability and performance, although it's still a neon. only 20 grand

[specvsd]

sr20de4evr: You forgot one thing about the Spec V vs. the base SE-R model. The Spec V has a 6 speed while the SE-R only has a 5. The ability to run through gears faster helps in a wide range of things. Off course I do admit the 6 speed is allot to handle for a daily driver (especially if you have the 02 Spec V with VERY SHORT GEARS) so basic drivability of the 5 speed SE-R is better when it comes to cruising down your neighborhood streets. But in a road course like you said, the Spec V is far more dominant not only by suspension, HLSD, and the 10 more hp/torque, but by the lower gears on turns and the ability to run through the gears quicker just leap frogs the Spec on tight turns.

IcedC: He either does not have a stock Lude or you haven’t mastered the 6 speed manual of the Spec(which once again is a tough one to drive)

Creagach: Ill pay the extra 3 grand that i did not spend on buying that SRT-4 and put it into a turbo package to "even" the induction of both cars. Then you tell me who will be the car the beat?

[Se-RiousB13]

I have to agree with Spec on this stock lude against stock spec..If the drivers are equal the stock spec will beat stock lude..The spec has much more low end power as well. I have driven both cars..Hands down spec feels and is a faster car..

Peace

[Speedra500]

even though my 4th gen prelude is pretty different from your prelude SH's I highly doubt a spec V could beat one, all I had on my lude was an intake and a header, and minor weight reduction and I smoked the hell out of a spec V, although my car does run low 14s somehow, it seemed like the spec V is more of a mid 15 second car to me

[specvsd]

Originally Posted by Speedra500

even though my 4th gen prelude is pretty different from your prelude SH's I highly doubt a spec V could beat one, all I had on my lude was an intake and a header, and minor weight reduction and I smoked the hell out of a spec V, although my car does run low 14s somehow, it seemed like the spec V is more of a mid 15 second car to me

I don’t think you have a clue of how fast a low 14 is.

With intake and Exhaust your car DOES NOT run low 14's AND will not beat a Spec V with a decent driver behind the wheel. A bad driver in a Spec can make the damn thing run 17's and I have seen it with my own eyes.

[Speedra500]

uh, i also have some weight reduction done, but if you dont believe me i will post the time slips if you'd like

[specvsd]

Originally Posted by Speedra500

uh, i also have some weight reduction done, but if you dont believe me i will post the time slips if you'd like

Sure please do. What kind of weight reduction did you have done? Do take into account that the Spec V WITH sound package is like 2750.

at 100mph:

10hp = 100pounds roughly
.10 of a second off your time.

100hp = 1000 pounds roughly
1. second of your time.

This does vary but its close to being accurate. Lowering the MPH distorts the figure alittle bit but NOT much.

[Speedra500]

i forgot the timeslip guy went home early that night, its actually estimated 14.4 closer to a mid 14 really(estimated from a 9.3 1/8th mile), I am not exactly sure how much weight reduction there is i also bypassed the coolant in the throttle body, although im sure that wasnt a very large difference, i know i removed over 100 lbs of junk, and also ran on a very low tank of gas which also shaved off alot of weight, I will have timeslips in the future but i guess it wont matter because my engine is so heavily modified

[specvsd]

I am done with this bologna.

Let’s say just for kicks that the prelude ran 15.0 stock every run. Even with a nearly empty tank of gas AND let’s say you took out 100 pounds. Totals range roughly around 200 maybe 250 pounds of totally weight taken off. Now let’s add 40 crank HP to your car with our Mods (Which you have no where near).

-250 pounds weigh reduction and low gas - .25 of a second -14.75 ETA

Now let’s add the 40 hp:

+40 Crank hp
-6 to the wheels through 15% peristaltic loss through drive train
(I am giving you the benefit of the doubt)
So finally 34whp (Wheel Horse Power)
So ill give u another .35 seconds off of your time.

15.00 - .60 and bam you have a 14.40

So to re emphasize my point:

You car doesn’t run 15 flat stock.
You don’t have 36whp in mods
And your car weighs a lot even with weigh reductions (which I did not figure in)
AAAANND I never mentioned traction.

So go make me that fake time slip because unless you video tape your car im not going to believe anything.

[sr20de4evr]

I feel the love here


(I'll just stay out of this conversation, have fun boys)

[Speedra500]

Originally Posted by specvsd

with our Mods (Which you have no where near).

with your mods now? lol, dude im talking about when my car didnt have hardly anything done to it, if i raced a spec v with what I have now there would be no contest, unless you have something pretty drastic, I've built a completey custom h22 NA race motor so your mods are no where near what I have most likely Unless for some reason you feel otherwise you can tell me your mods and we can talk about it, but I would really find it hard to believe that you have spent as much time and money on your engine as I have on mine

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by specvsd

You car doesn’t run 15 flat stock.

Actually, a full-weight 4th-gen 'Lude VTEC with the H22A motor, is capable of 14.9-14.8 stock. I can see mid-14's happening with a combination of good-driving, a couple of mods that actually work, and weight reduction.

The Prelude SH's were the slowest of the bunch with the H22A motor, because of the weight penalty the SH system adds. The base-model '98+ 'Ludes were faster, but still a tick slower than the '92-'97 H22A 'Ludes.

Now with that being said,I have beat an I/E 'Lude SH from a stop with my I/ignition advance Classic SE-R. Had him by 1.5 cars at launch and 1 car when we stopped. Maybe he would've pulled me higher-up, but he let-off first, and we did get to almost a hundred. I have also ran a bone-stock Spec-V from a stop (before ANY of my minimal mods), and it was dead-even till 80-90 or so, with me MAYBE a foot ahead, if that.

So, I would say, stock SpecV vs. stock Prelude SH, driver's race. Equal drivers, my vote goes to the Spec. Now a stock Spec vs. a 4th-Gen H22 'Lude, I gotta give it to the 'Lude in the long run, while the Spec's gearing/torque/LSD will have it out-launch the Spec.

[specvsd]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Actually, a full-weight 4th-gen 'Lude VTEC with the H22A motor, is capable of 14.9-14.8 stock. I can see mid-14's happening with a combination of good-driving, a couple of mods that actually work, and weight reduction.

The Prelude SH's were the slowest of the bunch with the H22A motor, because of the weight penalty the SH system adds. The base-model '98+ 'Ludes were faster, but still a tick slower than the '92-'97 H22A 'Ludes.

Now with that being said,I have beat an I/E 'Lude SH from a stop with my I/ignition advance Classic SE-R. Had him by 1.5 cars at launch and 1 car when we stopped. Maybe he would've pulled me higher-up, but he let-off first, and we did get to almost a hundred. I have also ran a bone-stock Spec-V from a stop (before ANY of my minimal mods), and it was dead-even till 80-90 or so, with me MAYBE a foot ahead, if that.

So, I would say, stock SpecV vs. stock Prelude SH, driver's race. Equal drivers, my vote goes to the Spec. Now a stock Spec vs. a 4th-Gen H22 'Lude, I gotta give it to the 'Lude in the long run, while the Spec's gearing/torque/LSD will have it out-launch the Spec.

I agree with everything you say But I am etchy on the 14.8 14.9 stock. Anyone have any slips or something they can show me? Sorry I am not that familiar with the 4th gen BUT I am still in doubt with 14.8 14.9 stock.

But even if it does do those times I STILL highly doubt that speedra is telling the truth. Just seemed like a flame post to me.

Oh and speedra quit the bullcrap. Show me time slips of YOUR car and just MAYBE i will believe you. Otherwise go brag in some other forums.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by specvsd

I agree with everything you say But I am etchy on the 14.8 14.9 stock. Anyone have any slips or something they can show me? Sorry I am not that familiar with the 4th gen BUT I am still in doubt with 14.8 14.9 stock.

Go to car-stats.com, and do a search for a 1993 Honda Prelude VTEC. The magazine times listed for the car is 15.1, taken from Motor Trend's May 1993 issue. We all know how easily magazine-times can be improved by an owner who knows the car better.

Also, I found this impending race where Domestic owners were talking about somebody who presumed to race a Prelude VTEC with his '88 Ford F-150: http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/D...D113/1050.html

[specvsd]

Hmmm interesting and thank you for the info carrrnuttt.

What’s your opinion on Speedras claim then?