Car dies out

[blklink]

You can start the car up and it 15-30 seconds it stalls and cuts off now it seems like problem is getting worse and worse. Just 30 minutes ago I started the car and try seeing if I could even get it to go down our 1/2 mile dirt road. Well needless to say i didnt make it down the dirt road I kept having to turn the car off then start it back I did this 3 times down and 5 times back cause you cant turn around on the dirt road it has a ditch on either side. Well at idle it idles rough then cuts off. I have changed the fuel pump, fuel filter, and jet pump. MAF I have cleaned with MAF cleaner. I have took the throttle body off and its components that are attached cleaned them with intake cleaner. Cleaned all of the electronic plug ins with electronic cleaner. I havent changed the fuel regulator, MAF sensor, or ignition coils. To be honest I dont think that the ignition coils have ever been changed. I have been looking around on the net for other information, and gathering from AF forums (past forums) and I have seen people end up with jet pumps, fuel filter, fuel pumps, fuel regulators, MAF sensor, and ignition coils. I have changed everything but the last three. The car has been good over the years it has lasted me 216k miles that wonderful to me. But I would love to have it as long as I can.
The dealer/mechanic does not know whats wrong with it. They said that is an unusual situation for the car to be acting like that considering that I have had all of the above changed out. I have a friend that works on Jaguars considering that the Lincoln LS is basically a Jaguar he is coming over to see if he can determine what the cause of shaking, stumbling, stalling, and whatever else could possibly going wrong with it. If you have any more ideas or information for please help, cause Im stumped. Thanks Shorod

[blklink]

Where can I buy the scan tool with the datastream mode at? Can I buy it at a local auto parts store?

[joegr]

Originally Posted by blklink

Where can I buy the scan tool with the datastream mode at? Can I buy it at a local auto parts store?

Here's the one that I have.

http://www.autoenginuity.com/

[lovemyLS]

Hey Joegr,
how much did you pay for your scan tool. I've been thinking about buying one as well.
JP

[shorod]

Autozone sells a higher end Actron that does datastream. You could also go with the AutoXray EZ-Scan and TechScan products, CarChip, and Harbor Freight even sells a scan tool with datastream capabilities.

-Rod

[blklink]

Found something dont know how much of a problem it would be but thought I would share the information with you. Ok last night I was looking around on the forum and found a thread talking about PCV well all the threads were showing collapse and dime holes so I decided to find that and see if that was a problem and no it wasnt as taking the manifold off and the fuel rail and took the ignition coils out. Then the spark plugs every one on the right side (standing in front of the car looking at the motor) looks good a little smutty but good. Now for the left side everyone looked good until I got to the last one one closest to the firewall I pulled the plug and looked there was oil around the prong (spark) none on the ignition coil. But when I looked at the plug seems like the oil was just built up around the thread of the plug not around the end. Is or could this be my problem. Now Im on the verge of using it as target practice. Cause I have read up on more threads about the same thing and you (rod) were telling some one if it was around the coil it would be valve cover gasket if it was around the spark it was possibly a damaged ring (cylinder wall) Hopefully this problem cause be resolved without snatching the motor out swapping it out rebuilding the motor..

[shorod]

It's probably on the threads due to the oil running down as you are unscrewing it. A single cylinder misfire would not likely cause stalling, and the misfire monitors on these OBD-II cars are pretty good. If that were the problem I would expect you to have a Cylinder #3 misfire code (P0303). The cylinder nearest the firewall on the passenger side would be cylinder #3. Does the electrode of the plug suggest that it's not been firing? Also, the plug and head will hold quite a bit of heat. If it takes 3-5 miles for the plug to heat up enough to act up, it won't cool in just a few seconds and go another 3-5 miles.

-Rod

[blklink]

I figured that it was oil from me unscrewing the spark plug it just seems like its around the threads not the spark of the plug. Theres no codes of showing misfires at all. Only codes that show up are o2 sensors lean bank 1 I think thats what I recall as far as the rest of the code I dont know. But I do remember that he said bank 1 lean. Well its not 3-5 miles now its as soon as you start the car it will run like a kitten for 10 seconds then shake, stumble and off it goes. Then you can start it right back up but this time it doesnt take 10-15 seconds it takes 3-5 seconds now then it idles rough shakes and off it goes again. I have took the intake manifold off cleaned it out. throttle body cleaned it. checked the vacuum lines and none seem to be hurt (cracked broken or even collapsed together).... I thought of letting a rag sit inside that #3 and soak up what oil is in there and then get new plugs trying that and seeing if that will help any. I have ordered new ignition coils but doesnt seem to be the problem because they look good and have no oil around the penciled boot. That was a doubt for me, cause of there being no oil around the boot showing no signs of leaking oil down to the spark plugs. Also is there anyway that you can send me pictures of this PCV you were talking about on another thread please.

[blklink]

My email address is [email protected]
I was looking at another motor today for sale has 60k miles on it for $1000 which me personally think thats a good deal. But hopefully I wont need to buy another one if I can get this one resolved.

[joegr]

Originally Posted by lovemyLS

Hey Joegr,
how much did you pay for your scan tool. I've been thinking about buying one as well.
JP

I think it was around $400.

[shorod]

Originally Posted by blklink

Also is there anyway that you can send me pictures of this PCV you were talking about on another thread please.

The info should be in your Yahoo inbox.

-Rod

[blklink]

Thanks rod.
As soon as I get the ignition coils and the spark plugs changed out I will update this thread to keep you informed. Also Im going to check on that valve to see if it is harmed in any way. If so I will just have it changed too. Thanks again
If anyone has any other suggestions please give me some info thanks

[blklink]

***UPDATE***
Nothing new. I changed the ignition coils and the spark plugs run for a little bit and the motor would shake a cut off. But I can start the car back up and it will idle fine with no stalls no shaking no nothing. Its just when you smash the gas it will stall, shake and cut off. So I went to local parts store and bought a MAF sensor. By the time I replace everything on the car everything will be new. Going today to pick it up to see if that changes anything. Also I was telling the thread that my cats are gutted. But there is a code that is coming i up which is directing it to cats. Saying bank 1 lean. Can anybody tell me if that would be one of my problems? Or if that would have anything dealing with the car stalling (cutting off) like it does... Thanks in advance

[CJ0717]

Back to the clogged exhaust. I know the cat con is just a pass thru but if the guts of the muffler have colapsed/clogged you will get a similar symptom. Try pulling out the o2 sensor in front of the Cat Con and run it. It will throw a code but it will emliminate any development of backpressure. Had this happen on a 4.3L V6. Took 2 days to figure it out. When I removed the o2 sensor the exhaust was unplugged and the engine could breath. Worth a shot before you take it to a shop at $90/hour and up.

[blklink]

Alright changed the ignition coils, spark plugs, MAF sensor. Still the same thing changed the MAF sensor hour ago and still got nothing still the same results.