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Re: 2001 Noise and Code P0410 YIPEE!
Checked the AIR pump, it runs at startup for a period then shuts off. Tried to manually engage it by grounding the pin and didn't have any luck with the ignition on, off and the truck running, possibly didn't connect something right, but it did run at startup. I could hear it running and touched the intake hose and felt air being sucked in. Since it isn't throwing the side specific codes, what is the next step on the AIR system diagnoses?
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Re: 2001 Noise and Code P0410 YIPEE!
Murph, I am having the same problem with my 4.8 at 162000. Only when it is cold does it have the knock. Only thing different from yours is, of course, the size engine and that when I first start it, it does not knock. When the idle comes down to normal is when it starts knocking, but like you have observed, it goes away after less than a minute. Truck for the rest of the day drives normally. I commute 25 miles to a construction office, then drive it all day going to jobs and it runs great all day. I did notice for the first time this morning that the Check Engine light blinked on a few times, then went off and the knocking ceased at the same time. Tomorrow when I start the truck, the same thing will happen all over again. I am worried that this is the start of a more serious problem and maybe I can nip this in the bud. I have changed the oil faithfully following owner's manual instructions and then changing it when light goes on withing a few days. I will try the suggestion about getting a Wix oil filter next time. Any other thoughts?
Edit: Truck is 2002
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2002 Silverado 4.8 LS Shortbed - Mods-K&N air filter Last edited by 02sil'ado4.8; 01-04-2010 at 06:35 PM. Reason: Left out year of truck |
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Re: 2001 Noise and Code P0410 YIPEE!
PO410
CIRCUIT DESCRIPTION An Secondary Air Injection (AIR) pump is used on this vehicle to lower tail pipe emissions on start-up. The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) supplies a ground to the AIR pump relay, which energizes the AIR pump and the AIR solenoid valve. Engine vacuum is applied to the AIR Shut-off valve when the AIR solenoid is energized. The engine vacuum opens the AIR shut-off valve which allows air to flow to the exhaust manifolds. The PCM monitors the Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) voltages to diagnose the AIR system. During the AIR test, the PCM activates the AIR pump during closed loop operation. When the AIR system is activated, the PCM monitors the HO2S voltages and short term fuel trim values for both banks of the engine. If the AIR system is operating properly, the HO2S voltages should go low and the short term fuel trim should go high. If the PCM determines that the HO2S voltages for both banks did not respond as expected during the tests, Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) P0410 sets. If only one sensor responded, the PCM sets either a DTC P1415 or P1416 to indicate on which bank the AIR system is inoperative. CONDITIONS FOR RUNNING THE DTC * DTCs P0101, P0102, P0103, P0106, P0107, P0108, P0112, P0113, P0117, P0118, P0121, P0122, P0123, P0131, P0132, P0133, P0134, P0135, P0137, P0138, P0140, P0141, P0151, P0152, P0153, P0154, P0155, P0157, P0158, P0160, P0161, P0171, P0172, P0174, P0175, P0200, P0300, P0335, P0336, P0351-P0358, P0442, P0443, P0446, or P0449 are not set. * The engine run time is more than 2 seconds . * The engine load is less than 40 percent . * The vehicle speed is more than 15 km/h (25 mph) . * The engine air flow is less than 20 g/s . * The engine speed is more than 900 RPM . * The ignition voltage is more than 11.7 volts . * The air fuel ratio is 13.125:1. * The startup ECT is less than 70°C 176°F . * The ECT is more than 70°C (158°F) , but less than 110°C (230°F) . * The IAT is more than 2°C (230°F) . * The fuel system is not operating in power enrichment or deceleration fuel cut-off. * The short term fuel trim is in cells 5 or 6. CONDITIONS FOR SETTING THE DTC * The HO2S voltage does not go below 222 mV within 1.2 seconds when the AIR pump turns on during closed loop operation. * Short term fuel trim does not go above a predetermined amount when the AIR pump turns on during closed loop operation. ACTION TAKEN WHEN THE DTC SETS * The control module illuminates the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) when the diagnostic runs and fails. * The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The control module stores this information in the Freeze Frame/Failure Records. CONDITIONS FOR CLEARING THE MIL/DTC * The control module turns OFF the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail. * A current DTC, Last Test Failed, clears when the diagnostic runs and passes. * A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic. * Use a scan tool in order to clear the MIL and the DTC. DIAGNOSTIC AIDS IMPORTANT: Remove any debris from the PCM connector surfaces before servicing the PCM. Inspect the PCM connector gaskets when diagnosing/replacing the PCM. Ensure that the gaskets are installed correctly. The gaskets prevent water intrusion into the PCM. * Using Freeze Frame/Failure Records data may aid in locating an intermittent condition. If you cannot duplicate the DTC, the information included in the Freeze Frame/Failure Records data can aid in determining how many miles since the DTC set. The Fail Counter and Pass Counter can also aid determining how many ignition cycles the diagnostic reported a pass and/or a fail. Operate the vehicle within the same freeze frame conditions (RPM, load, vehicle speed, temperature etc.) that you observed. This will isolate when the DTC failed. * For an intermittent, refer to Symptoms - Computers and Control Systems. See: Symptom Related Diagnostic Procedures TEST DESCRIPTION ![]() ![]() ![]() The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table. If DTC P0418 sets, this indicates the control side of the relay is not operating. Refer to DTC P0418 for further diagnosis. Vacuum lines that are reversed on the AIR solenoid causes this DTC to set. See: P0418 The AIR MaxiFuse (R) is located in the underhood electrical center. The AIR pump relay is located near the AIR pump.
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