Nissan vs Acura, Honda, Toyota

[Cannabis]

Sorry I forgot to make a couple quick statments about Nissan. I have always liked nissans. Recently my opinion for them started to fade, as the only nissan that I like was the Maxima, and they started to give it an ugly ass. However this year they have turned around. Now I like the Maxima, the Sentra, and the altima. God bless the new altima. What took nissan so long to make the Altima interesting? I love the new Z, but it definitelyhas a few things that I would change w/o looking back. But not very many cars a perfect.
Oh yes and to complete my F355 statement, I do realize that it is the best selling Ferrari ever.

[Moppie]

Originally posted by Cannabis

Could you maybe think that someone doesn't like cars that you like for good reasons. Nah you all are too thick headed for that.

IF you could provide some kind of a rational argument to back up your cliams we might be a little more interested.
But at the moment your doing nothing more than ranting.

What are you trying to do? start a war between the owners of Hondas, Toyotas and Nissans? Well im sorry but AF members are a bit more open minded than that.

Please don't continue with your current attitude or it may be suggested that you head elsewhere.

[Cannabis]

I am not tryin to start a war. I am just stating my opinions, not asking others to ditch there cars or whatever. I guaruntee that 90% of the people here don't like my car, but I love my car. Yes I was ranting, but everyone who knows me knows that I love to rant. Take no offense, just take it in stride.

[Moppie]

Originally posted by Cannabis
I am not tryin to start a war. . ........... Yes I was ranting, but everyone who knows me knows that I love to rant. Take no offense, just take it in stride.

sweet as!

Just remember that nobdy here no's you yet. so you may get a few nasty replies to some of your rants, but I dont have a problem with ranting, im prone to it my self sometimes.
No offense is taken. (by me anyway! )

[F20C]

Originally posted by Cannabis
Why do you automatically say ignorance if someone doesn't like a company you do. I know a good deal about cars, and I dislike Toyota, and don't like Honda b/c of what I know about them.
What pisses me off about Honda's is that people think they are the greatest thing, and they are the most reliuable cars. My experience however has always been that reliability is all luck, and the manufacturer matters little.
My sisters Honda has had more problems than any car my family has owned. She just spent $2000 on getting the brake system fixed. I don't know what was wrong, because my mom just told me friday, and she didn't know exactly what the problem was, and I haven't talked to my sister since she had it done. 2 weeks before my sister spent $600 on routine maubtenance. I am sorry, but I have never spent more than $50 on routine maintenance. There have been alot of other problems she has had with her 96 accord, but I am not going to bother listing them.
Get this though. When my Dad was looking for a car for my sister for her College graduation present, he asked me what they should look at. I told them to get an accord. I have nothing against appliances. I know that is all my sister really wants from a car as long as it is a manual, and I still have respect for Hondas. I personaly would never get one.
Honda's styling too me is either bland or ugly, period. The RSX is ugly(love the interior though), and the rest are boring. Yes the S2000's styling is boring. Could you put a flatter side on a car. The s2000 looks like a tiny Honda thats it. And I want a car that doesn't sound like a motorcycle. I love motorcycles, but I want a motorcycle sound from a crotch rocket, and a car sound from a car.
One more thing about hondas, is that I hate there manual transmissions. I hate the shifter feel, and the clutch is way too long, and the way it engages I can not get over.
Toyota, you can't deny that there cars are priced $2000-10000 over the rest of the class. The prices I see for Lexus in magazine comparison tests is nothing close to what you can actually talk them down to except maybe the IS 300 Which I like except for the "euro"(not from europe never has been) lights, but I still respect them(the taillights) because they are different.
I have to make a quick statement about the F355 too. A beautiful car, yes. One of my least favorite Ferraris ever made definitely.
Could you maybe think that someone doesn't like cars that you like for good reasons. Nah you all are too thick headed for that.

Oh yeah and F20C yeah you can make a civic a 12-13 sec car, but what is the point it will still be a Civic, which no matter what you do to it is a boring econobox.

We don't even know if you and your family take care of the cars properly. Many times when something goes wrong the driver of the car is at fault. It's like those people racing their car when they just past 600 miles. Or people that always press too much gas only to press extremely hard on brake to slow down when traffic clogs up. You can't say that your family have nothing to do with all the maintenence cost. Also don't let people fool you into changing everything. Dealership are there to make money and they have been reported of writing report of what needs fixture when it really is just a small problem that's easily fixable.

Looks is subjective and there is no right or wrong. What you think it's boring doesn't mean the entire world thinks it's boring.

Honda tranmission are world famous for excellence. It's gives an excellent feedback to the driver and let's him/her control the car.

Try driving a Domestic's clutch and you will feel they are much longer than Japanese cars.

Sorry we are all car lovers here. If you have something to say then bring in the evidience. All the guy did was talk a whole bunch of bullshit.

Nah I never said 12 second Civic is not a Civic. The thread started said Honda people spent 20K more to hang with stock Mustang. Maybe you should read what he said before commenting.

[Cannabis]

I do drive a domestic manual, and no its shift throws are very short, and the clutch requires very little movement to engage and disengage completly. And actually that gas and break thing is something I do all to often, but hey it is fun. My sister drives like a puss, and takes very good care of her car, except the interior, but hey I'm pretty hard on my interior too. The only car I didn't take care of was my Taurus(changed the oil about every 10,000 miles). But that is b/c I didn't care that much about it, and didn't have the time to fool with it. But hey I got it with 60,000 miles, and got rid of it at 150,000 miles w/o a single problem. Well actually I did break one motor mount, but that was I think $30 and 45 minutes install.

[F20C]

What domestic manual you drive?

[Cannabis]

1999 Mercury Cougar V-6. I have put in an aftermarket short shifter, but I am mainly talking about Hondas clutch. I can't sit properly in a honda, b/c when I try to disengage the clutch my knee hits the bottom of the steering wheel, and I can't disengage it fully. My sisters 96 accord is that way, my friends old car a 87 accord was that way(worse though), and my x-girlfriends civic was that way. Can't remember what year it was though. Somewhere around a 95.
But I like my shifters feel alot better too, and the throws are shorter. Recently I did feel a stock shifter, and my shifter is alot better, but the stock is still pretty decent.

[Cannabis]

Your S2000 Probably has a completly different set up, and feel than those though.
Oh yeah and my sisters car is way too lethargic to ever race.
But I didn't mention how I liked my friends 87 accord. I loved the interior, and it was a decent looking car for 1987, but I could still never get one b/c I have to have a stick, and I already told you the problem with that. He never had any major problems with it, a couple of minor electrical problems like the dome light, and if he used the cigg lighter(for anything power point or whatever) he would blow every fuse. And one really wierd problem if he parked his car on just the right slope while it was raining the sun roof would leak, and water would collect in the headliner making it sag pretty bad. Then when we would drive off it would dump out all over us. Pretty funny actually. This was back in 1996-98 by the way. But it was actually faster than my sisters car.

[F20C]

When I test drove Mustang and Camaro the distance clutch travels was longer than Honda.

I never driven Cougar V6 so I can't comment on that. I'll head down to Ford take a look when I get a chance.

[Cannabis]

mmm the 2001 cougar. I just want to steal a couple things from it the center console(my one fault with my car), the guages, and the steering wheel, but I don't like how they changed the I guess it would be the air damn, rear bumper, and the headlights.
Oh yeah I have one other fault with it. If you aren't careful really bad axle tramp.

[Moppie]

Originally posted by Cannabis
. I can't sit properly in a honda, b/c when I try to disengage the clutch my knee hits the bottom of the steering wheel, and I can't disengage it fully.

Did you try adjusting the steering wheel height?
hondas do that you know.

(and how tall are you? one problem a lot of older japanese cars have is limited room for very tall people, but then very short peole can have trouble in large American cars.)

[Cannabis]

only 6'. And yes I adjusted the steering wheel, but driving with the steering wheel up like that makes me feel like I am driving a bus. j/k
I drive with the steering wheel all the way down. I don't feel right unless it is in the right place which is low. And isn't it true that Honda's don't have hydraulic clutches. A friend of mine told me that is why they have as much travel as they do.

[Moppie]

Most cars with anything bigger than a 1300 have a hydrolic clutch.
It has little relation to the pedal travel though.
Thats more dependant on pedal length, clutch lever length, etc

[F20C]

Cannabis are you talking about adjustable pedals offered on some Ford cars?