The Universal Theory on Iraq (Long)

[1985_BMW318i]

It never ceases to amaze me how Americans, or at least the majority of them, choose to close their eyes and ears about this, then starts saying to those who do not agree with them that they're ignorant.

It never ceases to amaze you? Well you don't know one single thing about Americans Milliardo, You haven't a clue. You pretend to know everything that goes on in our minds. Well get this. We're the single Super Power on this planet. Get used to it. We defend democracy and freedom with blood unlike any other country ever has. Our allies know we are right and stick by us. Until you have spent enough time in our country to see how we get things done then do not assume our eyes are closed. Your narrowmind has clouded any possibility of considering you might be mistaken. Remember one thing, We always get the bad guy.

[Cbass]

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i


It never ceases to amaze you? Well you don't know one single thing about Americans Milliardo, You haven't a clue. You pretend to know everything that goes on in our minds.

I don't think he ever made that assertion, or even conveyed that pretense... I think you just give people the opinion you want to hear from them to justify your own bigoted views. My opinion, of course...

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i

Well get this. We're the single Super Power on this planet. Get used to it.

Not if the EU gets much stronger.

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i

We defend democracy and freedom with blood unlike any other country ever has. Our allies know we are right and stick by us. Until you have spent enough time in our country to see how we get things done then do not assume our eyes are closed.

Interchange "democracy and freedom" with US foreign interests, and you're right on the money... which is of course, what ALL of this boils down to. I have spent alot of time in the US, I know how you get things done. A small group of rich men make the decisions that affect the world behind closed doors, entirely for the benefit of themselves and their business partners. It's the same way anywhere really, just not to the same degree as the US.

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i

Your narrowmind has clouded any possibility of considering you might be mistaken. Remember one thing, We always get the bad guy.

I think Milliardo has demonstrated a very open mind, and has considered others opinions... Whereas you simply shout down anyone who does not agree with your republican right wing views, which I would say are VERY narrow minded.

Yes, the US always does get the bad guy, because they label someone they can get a bad guy, and if they don't get him, he is no longer a bad guy. Take Osama Bin Laden for instance... he's not being mentioned much anymore.

What about the intelligence analysts and terrorist experts who all agree this will not only hurt the war on terrorist, it will expand the ranks of the terrorists by as much as 500%? I guess they don't know nearly as much as someone as experienced in lies as Ari Fleischer...

[Milliardo]

I'll make a further example of how America can flip-flop on something. If the Soviet Union did what Putin's Russia has done to Chechnya, the U.S. government would have a large outcry and send its own troops to drive off the Soviets. Yet, where are those same troops now? Has anyone asked why the U.S. is silent on this issue, when there's no difference between what Saddam did in 1991 and what Putin did? Or is it because Russia is now buddy-buddy with the U.S.? Well, I think now Putin will have America by his tail again, since he didn't support Bush's war...

Well you don't know one single thing about Americans Milliardo, You haven't a clue.

Now that's funny. I didn't make any assertion to the effect that I said you don't know anything, yet you make that assumption. You don't even know if I went to the U.S., or have relatives there (I have been to the U.S. 3 times already, mind you), or even have friends there.

We're the single Super Power on this planet. Get used to it.

Wow, such an arrogant statement. And you Americans wonder why people from other places don't like you. Statements like that doesn't endear you to the world, and only makes people want to get back at you even more. Try toning that down--you know that bullies never win, and are never loved.

We defend democracy and freedom with blood unlike any other country ever has. Our allies know we are right and stick by us.

Any nation says the same thing. And if your allies know you're right, how come now the U.S.' alliance with Europe is in danger of breaking? Or is it that America's allies have finally woken up from their slumber, and realized that they're being conned all along?

[Pick]

Originally posted by T4 Primera
If you have something of value to add Pick, then please do. I for one don't buy unfounded "soundbite" like comments and assertions. If you think I am ignorant, then present something that will enlighten me more than a mere insult.

I was referring to C-bass. Personally, T-4, I think you are one of the more intelligent people on here.

[igor@af]

It amazes me how a lot of Americans dismiss the rest of the world's opinions and theories "just because" they're not American.
I am amazed at the ignorance of many people on here, and unfortunately, it is mostly Americans because we are exposed to so much propaganda, and it seem to work on the most.

This Universal theory makes A LOT OF SENSE, and if it doesn't to you, then you are in denial concerning ambitions of sovereign nations.
No nation has a goal to free the world of tyranny and help the poor people of the world and establish democracy everywhere. (but it sure is a damn good thing to convince your own citizens of) If you really think that is America's motivation that you should put on a "I'm an ignorant propaganda victim" sign on yourself and wear it around...
Nations' motivations concern their OWN economy and their OWN people, and NOT the rest of the world. All countries try to take advantage of countries that are weaker than them politically for self-benefit.

[Pick]

Originally posted by Milliardo
I'll make a further example of how America can flip-flop on something. If the Soviet Union did what Putin's Russia has done to Chechnya, the U.S. government would have a large outcry and send its own troops to drive off the Soviets. Yet, where are those same troops now? Has anyone asked why the U.S. is silent on this issue, when there's no difference between what Saddam did in 1991 and what Putin did? Or is it because Russia is now buddy-buddy with the U.S.? Well, I think now Putin will have America by his tail again, since he didn't support Bush's war...



Any nation says the same thing. And if your allies know you're right, how come now the U.S.' alliance with Europe is in danger of breaking? Or is it that America's allies have finally woken up from their slumber, and realized that they're being conned all along?

Oh really? Russia our firends? I think not. Russia still strives to be a world superpower and until they get over the "I want to take over the world" ideas its leadership has, it will be a miserable country. We are not goody-goody with Russia. If you haven't noticed, Iraq has been aided by Russia directly, even to this very day.

[Pick]

Originally posted by igor@af
It amazes me how a lot of Americans dismiss the rest of the world's opinions and theories "just because" they're not American.
I am amazed at the ignorance of many people on here, and unfortunately, it is mostly Americans because we are exposed to so much propaganda, and it seem to work on the most.

So you have been exposed to this "propaganda" and have overcome it? You people seem to think that anything you disagree with is propaganda. Everything can be spun, so it is hard to find a good, sound opinion on things.

[igor@af]

if you have a good understanding of the WHOLE world and have lived around the globe and know a nice bit about politics and have enough common sense, then yes, you can distinguish between biased and sometimes even untrue propaganda and the possible truth.

[Pick]

Originally posted by igor@af
if you have a good understanding of the WHOLE world and have lived around the globe and know a nice bit about politics and have enough common sense, then yes, you can distinguish between biased and sometimes even untrue propaganda and the possible truth.

Very true, bit there is not such thing as unbias in anything. Emotion is always involved in everything anybody says.

[Prelewd]

Originally posted by Milliardo
...And you Americans wonder why people from other places don't like you. Statements like that doesn't endear you to the world, and only makes people want to get back at you even more...

I was just wondering, why are people trying to get back at us in the first place? Why does it seem like so many people will silently cheer if the US economy fails? Is it because we are at the top? Maybe if the EU does get all this power, people will shift their negative wishful thinking unto them.

You can deny this and say you like America all you want, but it's comments posted like Milliardo's that make me skeptical. I guess it offends me, and I'm not easily offended.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by Prelewd


You can deny this and say you like America all you want, but it's comments posted like Milliardo's that make me skeptical. I guess it offends me, and I'm not easily offended.

If it's any consolation,I think that some of Milliardo's ideas are way off the mark too,but as Igor says,the notion that the rest of the world 'doesn't get it' simply because we are not Americans is nonsense.There are plenty of Americans who disagree with decisions made by their government,yet thery are either overlooked or dismissed as 'posysniffers' and other such derogatory nonsense by those who subscribe to the 'America is never wrong,it's the rest of you who are out of step' theory.Watching the news coverage that is available in this country,the marked difference in tone from the American broadcasts to the rest of the material available is alarming.While I don't doubt that you can receive overseas news reports of the conflict,it's obvious where the majority of your information and spin is going to come from.

[Prelewd]

Taranaki, I was just replying to what I quoted. I have grown quite disgusted as I hear more and more news feeds from such stations as CNN and FOX NEWS CHANNEL. I can recognize the spin now. I do disagree with many things that our goverment does, and I do believe that many of our elected representatives are GREEDYASHELL. I think our goverment needs a little going through, not in the process, but something like an IRS audit.

I will, however, stand up for what is right in the world, and do believe this war is right if it is for the right reasons. If, however, it is for the wrong reasons, I will not support it, but I will support my military. Call it the mantra of the war-mongers (support the troops), but they fight for me.. so I'll fight for them, in a verbal way.